US Egg Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 QB play is paramount to its team success Ours is awesome. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: QB play is paramount to its team success Ours is awesome. Goo goo g'joob! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Logic said: 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: people don’t realize how tempting it is. It reminds me of playing basketball, and you know you are a great 3-point shooter and have a wide open 3. It’s tough not to take that, even though you are also fast and strong and probably drive to the bucket for a dunk too. i have this problem constantly… take the sure three or the dunk… its no way to live 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Good article. The heat maps are awesome. But, it doesn’t take fancy graphics to know that Sugar High Josh is less than the ideal Josh. I love his killer instinct, and his desire to force the ball to his guys to make plays. I don’t want that to change. I’ll ride or die with 17 until the end. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: I’ll ride or die with 17 until the end. regardless of overall opinion, we all agree with this 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: He does have a point BUT Miami was the big underdog, they were daring J Allen to throw he deep ball, Allen did what he was trained to do, go to the WRs when they are one on one and Miami is in Cover zero. Yup. This is analysis is deeply flawed: It tries to make it seem like this is multi-game or even season-long trend, when their own graphs shows it was really just one game (Miami) influencing both the stats and obviously, by extension, the perception of the media. The analysis fails to acknowledge that while the Bills route density hasn't changed much in Dorsey's offense, in the one game affecting the analysis, the defense was vastly different, bucking the trend of consistent two-high safeties in favor of single high or no safeties. Remember last year when two-high was supposedly the answer to Josh Allen? It makes an assumption that deep throws are inherently more risky and cherry picks one play to try to demonstrate that the interception to John Brown. The deeper throws are obviously harder to complete but an incomplete pass is hardly the worst thing that can happen. Someone show me some data that says deeper throws result in more turnovers. Seems counter intuitive to me. At most, three of Allen's interceptions this year came on deep throws (depending on how they are defined). Pittsburgh (Levi Wallace covering Gabe Davis 1-on-1 in the end zone) Minnesota (Peterson interception in OT) Chicago (1st interception, safety lined up on line of scrimmage then dropped back to create a double team against McKenzie) So many of Allen's interceptions this year were on short little throws directly to defenders he inexplicably didn't see in the middle of the season. Removes those from the numbers and nobody is talking about his turnover count or trying to connect them to the deep shots. Edited January 20, 2023 by Wraith 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: people don’t realize how tempting it is. It reminds me of playing basketball, and you know you are a great 3-point shooter and have a wide open 3. It’s tough not to take that, even though you are also fast and strong and probably drive to the bucket for a dunk too. Lebron Miyagi - i hope I'm never stuck guarding you in my rec league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 My thought is a lot of these sports media analysts who have never credited Josh’s development are often times clinging emotionally to a last stand. If we win on Sunday it’ll be interesting to see what new excuses they develop even though Burrow has never thrown for more than 2 TDs in games against KC and Josh has done it in every game against KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Logic said: Benjamin Solak and Steven Ruiz and the rest of the Analytics Kids are just SO excited that Josh Allen has been turning the ball over and playing more erratically lately. SO excited. They had to sit quietly in a corner while Josh Allen became an elite, no-questions-asked top five quarterback in the league. Now that he has started turning the ball over a bit more and his completion percentage has dropped a bit? Oh man. They probably couldn't run to their keyboards fast enough to start writing these articles. I doubt you read it. The article is almost completely complimentary of Josh, starting with a bunch of stats that suggest the Bills offense and Josh are really better than ever. And then it points out (and documents) the obvious: it could be better still if he dialed back the aggressiveness just a little bit, particularly when the situation calls for it. Only a died in the wool 100% fanboy would see it otherwise. 3 minutes ago, Wraith said: At most, three of Allen's interceptions this year came on deep throws (depending on how they are defined). It's not just about the interceptions. It's also about going for the home run ball when easy medium yardage gainers are there for the taking. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It's not just about the interceptions. It's also about going for the home run ball when easy medium yardage gainers are there for the taking. The Bills offense can move the ball down the field. That is not the problem. The problem is the occasional burst of turnovers. The article tries to connect that to the deep throws. It is not true. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Lebron Miyagi - i hope I'm never stuck guarding you in my rec league. haha. Off the subject, but I am 45, and have become a really good rec league player. It took me my whole life to figure out the secret of basketball— which is to not try dumb stuff and pick your spots and take the shots you can make. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wraith said: The problem is the occasional burst of turnovers. The article tries to connect that to the deep throws. It is not true. That's not how I read it. One of the plays he focuses on resulted in an incomplete pass. The point is that Josh was so focused on trying complete the long ball to Gabe that he didn't take the relatively easy 20 yard + gain to Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: haha. Off the subject, but I am 45, and have become a really good rec league player. It took me my whole life to figure out the secret of basketball— which is to not try dumb stuff and pick your spots and take the shots you can make. Haha. I'm 44 and still do the dumb stuff. Maybe my game will mature by 45. 😜 I'm 5'8", so I have to play to my strengths and hunt the 3 ball. No dunking for me unless it's against my kids on the Fisher Price hoop. A better analogy for me is golf. I hit the ball pretty long, so I'm often forced to decide between taking the chance of driving the green on a short par 4 or taking the "layup" of an iron, wedge and an almost guaranteed par. Edited January 20, 2023 by TheBrownBear 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Really good analysis. And yes, as the article shows, Allen is to blame, not Dorsey. The easy yards are there, but Josh has been a little too eager to take the home run swing (and miss). except for when he takes the home run swings and hits as pointed out by Greg Tompsett at Cover 1...."which 50 yard pass completion do you want to substitute for the 10 yard completion?" Ill ride or die with him taking shots. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, PaattMaann said: except for when he takes the home run swings and hits as pointed out by Greg Tompsett at Cover 1...."which 50 yard pass completion do you want to substitute for the 10 yard completion?" Ill ride or die with him taking shots. Of course. But ... game situation. Quality of the opponent's offense. The exact same criticisms were made of Mahomes in the first half of 2021, and he seems to have made minor adjustments (much like The Ringer article suggests for Josh) that have made them better. It's not personal! They are not questioning Josh's intelligence or ability. Just stating the obvious, and backing it up with some examples and stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Logic said: Benjamin Solak and Steven Ruiz and the rest of the Analytics Kids are just SO excited that Josh Allen has been turning the ball over and playing more erratically lately. SO excited. They had to sit quietly in a corner while Josh Allen became an elite, no-questions-asked top five quarterback in the league. Now that he has started turning the ball over a bit more and his completion percentage has dropped a bit? Oh man. They probably couldn't run to their keyboards fast enough to start writing these articles. Ruiz is my least favorite guy at the Ringer. He thinks Justin Herbert is the best QB to have ever been born and has said multiple times Herbert is better than Allen already. If he ever beats Mahomes he will move him up to #1 on his list. I generally try to avoid anything he writes because while I think he watches a lot of football, I don’t think he understands that the QB position is more than making the “correct” read every play. Sometimes Ruiz sneaks into a Ringer clip without me realizing and that’s where I get to hear that Herbert is already the second best QB in the world. Bro can’t hold onto a 27 point lead but he made the correct check down based on coverage so he is sooooo great. The Bills are going to win a Super Bowl because of Josh Allen, not in spite of him. This hand wringing over turnovers by the media and a lot of our fans needs to relax. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) If the bad turnovers stop.. there wouldn't be many issues. That's the aspect that has to change. You can't have mind bogglingly bad turnovers in the playoffs and expect to win. That game would have been a blowout if just 1-2 of turnovers were just punts/field goals instead. If you're going to throw the Brown ints as a trade off for the deep shots then you can't have the in-pocket fumbles. However, I do like Allen being called out nationally because it seems like whenever he's getting called out in the national media he goes out and plays his best. Edited January 20, 2023 by Malazan 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, PaattMaann said: Ill ride or die with him taking shots. Josh has zero chill, and a howitzer for a right arm. I'm with you, Let the big dog eat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: which 50 yard pass completion do you want to substitute for the 10 yard completion A particularly stupid way to put it. Which 20% chance at a 50 yard completion will you substitute for a 90% chance for a 10 yard completion" is what they're saying. Expected yards gained may still favor the former by a tick, but the latter is better for sustaining a drive and depriving the opponent of their own chance to score. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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