Texas RB Bijan Robinson

[Logic]

I 100% want the Bills to spend their high picks on wide receivers and offensive linemen this offseason.

With that said, Bijan Robinson is special.

I didn't necessarily think Etienne or Javonte Williams or Breece Hall were special.

Bijan Robinson? He seems special to me.

I could see a scenario where he is the best player available for the Bills. And as has been pointed out year after year, Brandon Beane has specifically said that he wouldn't hesitate to draft a running back in the first round if he was the BPA, that he doesn't subscribe to the "never draft a running back in the first round" belief.

I don't think Robinson will be a Bill. But even though there are more pressing needs that will more likely be addressed, it would be impossible for me to be mad about drafting Robinson. He's just too good.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Every other.

 

3 of the last 4.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Are you willing to reach for another Basham/Epenesa for a need or would you want to have the best player in college football @ 31? 

 

 

Basham and Epenesa are DL.   You are responding to a post about the need for OL.  

 

RB is not a premium position.........using early picks on non-premium positions is a recipe for regret.    When you reach the point where you are drafting late 20's or early 30's every year and you are paying a franchise QB you really gotta' get premium position players outta' those early picks.    

 

The Bills got lucky a few years ago when KC drafted a RB in round 1.    This past draft they went DE and CB1 in round 1......both premium positions...........and then were able to find excellent value later in the draft at lesser positions like RB and TE.     They got a Cook-type player in Pacheco who is a stud RB in round 6.    Pacheco might actually have been the best player in college football but being a RB........a position where success relies mostly on blocking.........he had terrible numbers and fell under the radar.

[BillyBilliams]

We don't use the running backs we have now.  So why spend more high end draft capital on another one?  I need O-Line and a #2 WR, as well as a Safety and maybe another CB.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Basham and Epenesa are DL.   You are responding to a post about the need for OL.  

 

RB is not a premium position.........using early picks on non-premium positions is a recipe for regret.    When you reach the point where you are drafting late 20's or early 30's every year and you are paying a franchise QB you really gotta' get premium position players outta' those early picks.    

 

The Bills got lucky a few years ago when KC drafted a RB in round 1.    This past draft they went DE and CB1 in round 1......both premium positions...........and then were able to find excellent value later in the draft at lesser positions like RB and TE.     They got a Cook-type player in Pacheco who is a stud RB in round 6.    Pacheco might actually have been the best player in college football but being a RB........a position where success relies mostly on blocking.........he had terrible numbers and fell under the radar.

I was giving an example about drafting for a need as opposed to taking the BPA

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

No.

 

Pittsburgh model.  Mike Wallace in the third in 2009.  Emmanuel Sanders in the third in 2010.  Antonio Brown in the sixth in 2010. Markus Wheaton in the third in 2013. Marty Bryant in the fourth in 2014. Sammie Coates in the third in 2015. Juju in the second in 2017.  James Washington in the third in 2018.  Diontae Johnson in the third in 2019. Claypool in the second in 2020. Pickens in the second in 2022.

 

Do you know why they always have a great WR group?  Because they draft the ***** out of them.

 

Wheaton, Bryant, Coates, Washington wouldn't count as part of a "great WR group"..

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I was giving an example about drafting for a need as opposed to taking the BPA

 

 

The position matters A LOT with regard to BPA.

 

RB's are the least important individual players on offense........no position requires more to go right at so many other positions for them to be successful.

 

Additionally,  the RB obsessed get continuously fooled by the quality of these modern versions of the position.

 

They may look like a 10 year bell-cow RB of old but they are the Barry Foster and Kenny Davis of yesteryear.   Guys who can't make it at other positions and lack the ability to sustain more than a fraction of the workload of RB1's of yesteryear.    That's why these RB1's flame out at 26 instead of 30 now.     Exceptions are few(Derrick Henry and that's about it right now). 

 

When Willis McGahee IV is drafted as an edge rusher in 4 years maybe some of you will start to realize that the RB position doesn't get those kinds of players any longer.    They are steered to defense or the passing game on offense.

[JoshAllin]

11 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

He sure would make our offense a whole bunch different.

 

And that's not a good thing. I want the same offense with a few tweaks

[FireChans]

29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

3 of the last 4.

3 of the last 5.

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wheaton, Bryant, Coates, Washington wouldn't count as part of a "great WR group"..

Marty B was sick until he flamed out for off the field stuff.

 

More to the point, the Steelers recognized that spending higher picks consistently on WR's maximized their QB's ability much better than RB's. Obviously some don't work out, but that's true of every position. But because they did so, they never had to break the bank for WR2/3's because they had a churning stable.

Edited January 20, 2023 by FireChans

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

Is there any shot for the Bills to draft him? He sure would make our offense a whole bunch different.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Mmtfmqb0MI&feature=shares

 

If there is one thing we know for sure about TBD it’s that we love drafting running backs!!

[Mr. WEO]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

3 of the last 5.

Marty B was sick until he flamed out for off the field stuff.

 

More to the point, the Steelers recognized that spending higher picks consistently on WR's maximized their QB's ability much better than RB's. Obviously some don't work out, but that's true of every position. But because they did so, they never had to break the bank for WR2/3's because they had a churning stable.

 

Bryant had 2 decent seasons.

 

Any team can fill the WR with a few round 2/3 duds.  Pittsburgh has no special sauce...

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Bryant had 2 decent seasons.

 

Any team can fill the WR with a few round 2/3 duds.  Pittsburgh has no special sauce...

Are you kidding?

 

Find another team that has DRAFTED as many good NFL WR's as the Steelers over the last 14 years. Especially with a franchise QB.

 

Pats couldn't do it. They drafted 12 WR's over that time period.

 

Brandon Tate - 3rd round.  Cut year two.

Taylor Price - 3rd round. Out of the league year two.

Aaron Dobson - 2nd round - Out of the league year three.

Josh Boyce - 4th round - Out of the league year two.

Jeremy Gallon - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Jeremy Ebert - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Devin Lucien - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Malcolm Mitchell - 4th round - Out of the league after year one.

Braxton Berrios - 6th round - Didn't record a stat with the Pats, cut year two.

N'Keal Harry - 1st round - bust, traded year 3 for a 7th rounder.

Tre Nixon - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Tyquan Thornton - 2nd round - First season with 242 yards.

 

You won't find another team that has drafted WR's as good as Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Bryant, Juju, Washington, Johnson, Claypool, Pickens over the last decade.

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If there is one thing we know for sure about TBD it’s that we love drafting running backs!!

 

 

I will say that it's excusable that fans are just ball watchers who don't understand how the LOS impacts the game or why edge/island positions are so individually valued/important.

 

The Bills problem until his death was that their owner Ralph Wilson was a ball watcher and couldn't get himself enough RB's.

[947]

I just saw a mock draft that had us taking Bijan. I threw up in my mouth.

 

Doubtful he drops that far, but if he does, there will be offers to trade down. I'd much rather do that.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Most recently, Josh Jacobs/Jonathan Taylor/Breece Hall

I agree with those names of course (although need to see more than a handful of games from Hall) and was not implying none ever get to that level. But the hit rate does not convince me to entertain adding yet another high round RB. 

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Are you kidding?

 

Find another team that has DRAFTED as many good NFL WR's as the Steelers over the last 14 years. Especially with a franchise QB.

 

Pats couldn't do it. They drafted 12 WR's over that time period.

 

Brandon Tate - 3rd round.  Cut year two.

Taylor Price - 3rd round. Out of the league year two.

Aaron Dobson - 2nd round - Out of the league year three.

Josh Boyce - 4th round - Out of the league year two.

Jeremy Gallon - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Jeremy Ebert - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Devin Lucien - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Malcolm Mitchell - 4th round - Out of the league after year one.

Braxton Berrios - 6th round - Didn't record a stat with the Pats, cut year two.

N'Keal Harry - 1st round - bust, traded year 3 for a 7th rounder.

Tre Nixon - 7th round - Didn't make the team.

Tyquan Thornton - 2nd round - First season with 242 yards.

 

You won't find another team that has drafted WR's as good as Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Bryant, Juju, Washington, Johnson, Claypool, Pickens over the last decade.

 

Pats won 6 SB without top WRs.

 

You keep mentioning guys like Wheaton, Bryant, Coates and washington.  They were jags--anyone can draft guys who are low output and fall out of the league in a handful of years. 

 

But, yes...the Bill shave certainly neglected the WR position since McBeane arrived.  I have made that point many times before.   It has been an obvious position of need perennially and they have gone out of their way to pass on guys like AJ BRown, Metcalf  (Cody Ford).

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The position matters A LOT with regard to BPA.

 

RB's are the least important individual players on offense........no position requires more to go right at so many other positions for them to be successful.

 

Additionally,  the RB obsessed get continuously fooled by the quality of these modern versions of the position.

 

They may look like a 10 year bell-cow RB of old but they are the Barry Foster and Kenny Davis of yesteryear.   Guys who can't make it at other positions and lack the ability to sustain more than a fraction of the workload of RB1's of yesteryear.    That's why these RB1's flame out at 26 instead of 30 now.     Exceptions are few(Derrick Henry and that's about it right now). 

 

When Willis McGahee IV is drafted as an edge rusher in 4 years maybe some of you will start to realize that the RB position doesn't get those kinds of players any longer.    They are steered to defense or the passing game on offense.

What about Christian McCaffrey?? You don't think he's an important cog to the Niners offense? 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Pats won 6 SB without top WRs.

 

You keep mentioning guys like Wheaton, Bryant, Coates and washington.  They were jags--anyone can draft guys who are low output and fall out of the league in a handful of years. 

 

But, yes...the Bill shave certainly neglected the WR position since McBeane arrived.  I have made that point many times before.   It has been an obvious position of need perennially and they have gone out of their way to pass on guys like AJ BRown, Metcalf  (Cody Ford).

I mentioned a bunch of guys not named those lmao. Do you see Sanders and read Coates? 
 

Can you not show me a team

that has done better? Because you keep saying anyone and then not showing anyone.

Edited January 20, 2023 by FireChans

[1onemangang7]

In my opinion if available he provides as much protection and longevity to your qb as any lineman you could draft.  Games still come down to the last possession against teams that can stop the run with whatever OLman you draft.  The burden on Allen can be relieved with the right rb taken lower though or through free agency.  If it isnt him, i agree you should draft OL first. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What about Christian McCaffrey?? You don't think he's an important cog to the Niners offense? 

 

 

He's a nice complement to a roster with a lot of dynamic passing game play makers while playing across from the league's best and most physical defense.

 

But he's had just three 1,000 yard rushing seasons in 6 years..........and the Niners didn't spend the 1st round pick on him either.

 

On a per-play basis.........he's actually been slightly less productive running the ball than Devin Singletary in their careers............and while he is a really good receiver for a RB his per play numbers are well below that of expectation for a good slot receiver.    

 

The team that did use that first rounder on him only got worse as an organization for investing so much in him.