Texas RB Bijan Robinson

[gobills404]

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

For those of you that think Robinson MIGHT be there at 27 and think he is the next Barkley I have a question.

 

Giants pick at 25, do you think Schoen and Dabol are sitting there thinking the same?

 

My darker side also says Schoen and Dabol would do it in spite if they could. 👹

 

Some thoughts. They could save major cap space without re-signing Barkley and get the same player. They could tag and trade Barkley and recoup draft capital.  Heck, they could even eat half of 2023 salary and still make out. 

 

So, I seriously doubt he is there at 27. Not even sure he'll be there at 25...

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

For those of you that think Robinson MIGHT be there at 27 and think he is the next Barkley I have a question.

 

Giants pick at 25, do you think Schoen and Dabol are sitting there thinking the same?

 

My darker side also says Schoen and Dabol would do it in spite if they could. 👹

 

Some thoughts. They could save major cap space without re-signing Barkley and get the same player. They could tag and trade Barkley and recoup draft capital.  Heck, they could even eat half of 2023 salary and still make out. 

 

So, I seriously doubt he is there at 27. Not even sure he'll be there at 25...

I think there’s a very slim chance that he’s there, but we should be doing is wrapping our mind around the fact that we’re gonna be taking a big fat, ugly offensive lineman, and be happy that we did it

[LyndonvilleBill]

13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think there’s a very slim chance that he’s there, but we should be doing is wrapping our mind around the fact that we’re gonna be taking a big fat, ugly offensive lineman, and be happy that we did it

Agree, VERY slim chance and still wouldn't be excited about it. I'm good with OL, but I reserve the right to change my mind based upon FA.😁

[Billz4ever]

On 2/13/2023 at 8:26 AM, gobills404 said:

 

I get what he's saying, but that can be misleading.  Leading rusher on the Super Bowl winning team? 

 

Pierre Thomas has 30 yards against Indy.

 

James Starks had 52 yards against the Steelers.

 

Ray Rice had 59 yards against SF.

 

Legarrette Blount had 31 yards in the Pats-Falcons SB.  

 

Cam Akers had 21 yards against Cincy.

 

I think the real point is that many of those teams didn't have strong rushing performances and didn't have high priced RBs but still won vs making it sound like they got great games out of cheap RBs.

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

For those of you that think Robinson MIGHT be there at 27 and think he is the next Barkley I have a question.

 

Giants pick at 25, do you think Schoen and Dabol are sitting there thinking the same?

 

My darker side also says Schoen and Dabol would do it in spite if they could. 👹

 

Some thoughts. They could save major cap space without re-signing Barkley and get the same player. They could tag and trade Barkley and recoup draft capital.  Heck, they could even eat half of 2023 salary and still make out. 

 

So, I seriously doubt he is there at 27. Not even sure he'll be there at 25...

 

 

Barkley literally was the complete package at RB.

 

Robinson lacks the speed so that's why he isn't likely to actually go top 10 like Barkley.

 

Either way...........both are ultimately just runnin' bax............it doesn't pay to invest big chips like early picks and big money in them.

 

People were going ga-ga over Barkley last year and he barely surpassed the league average per carry and his yards per reception was a ghastly 5.9.

 

Singletary and Cook obliterated Barkleys' per touch numbers.

 

And that's all that matters in the end.........which is why a graphic like the one that @gobills404 posted exists.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[SCBills]

5 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

For those of you that think Robinson MIGHT be there at 27 and think he is the next Barkley I have a question.

 

Giants pick at 25, do you think Schoen and Dabol are sitting there thinking the same?

 

My darker side also says Schoen and Dabol would do it in spite if they could. 👹

 

Some thoughts. They could save major cap space without re-signing Barkley and get the same player. They could tag and trade Barkley and recoup draft capital.  Heck, they could even eat half of 2023 salary and still make out. 

 

So, I seriously doubt he is there at 27. Not even sure he'll be there at 25...

 

Chiefs have picks to move around, maybe they'll give away pick 25 like they did Toney so they can jump us again. 

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Chiefs have picks to move around, maybe they'll give away pick 25 like they did Toney so they can jump us again. 

I see the Chiefs going WR or EDGE.  I think they are good with Pacheco honestly and can't see them taking Robinson.  

 

I keep seeing mocks having him go to Baltimore, but they need more help at WR too.

 

Other mocks have him going to Dallas, which with Pollard there, doesn't make much sense either unless they don't think he's a long-term answer. Also seen Gibbs as projected to Dallas too.

 

It would be crazy to see a top 5 talent fall to the end of the round, but it is a possibility however small.

Edited February 15, 2023 by Billz4ever

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

I see the Chiefs going WR or EDGE.  I think they are good with Pacheco honestly and can't see them taking Robinson.  

 

I keep seeing mocks having him go to Baltimore, but they need more help at WR too.

 

Other mocks have him going to Dallas, which with Pollard there, doesn't make much sense either unless they don't think he's a long-term answer. Also seen Gibbs as projected to Dallas too.

 

Oh, I agree.. I'm just being salty over the fact we either didn't want, or weren't given the opportunity, to get Toney.

 

Chiefs learned their lesson with CEH.  Can't ever see them drafting a RB high again. 

[Lost]

I can't believe people are still on the RB train here.   How much more draft capital do we have to waste here?  I don't care if you have Barkley, CMC, Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs or Bijan Robinson...if the play is getting blown up and there's a DT in the backfield before the ball even gets handed off, they're not going to be productive.   Couple that with an OC that doesn't even like running the ball, I couldn't think of a more wasted 1st round pick.   We have a Dorsey, not a Shanahan running our offense. 

[Solomon Grundy]

8 minutes ago, Lost said:

I can't believe people are still on the RB train here.   How much more draft capital do we have to waste here?  I don't care if you have Barkley, CMC, Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs or Bijan Robinson...if the play is getting blown up and there's a DT in the backfield before the ball even gets handed off, they're not going to be productive.   Couple that with an OC that doesn't even like running the ball, I couldn't think of a more wasted 1st round pick.   We have a Dorsey, not a Shanahan running our offense. 

I believe the draft capital was wasted using 3rd picks on RBs from the beginning. Imagine how good the offensive line would be with those picks. Go around the league and see how many quality offensive linemen were selected in the 3rd

[mrags]

On 2/13/2023 at 9:26 AM, gobills404 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

I get what he's saying, but that can be misleading.  Leading rusher on the Super Bowl winning team? 

 

Pierre Thomas has 30 yards against Indy.

 

James Starks had 52 yards against the Steelers.

 

Ray Rice had 59 yards against SF.

 

Legarrette Blount had 31 yards in the Pats-Falcons SB.  

 

Cam Akers had 21 yards against Cincy.

 

I think the real point is that many of those teams didn't have strong rushing performances and didn't have high priced RBs but still won vs making it sound like they got great games out of cheap RBs.

Of the last 14 super bowls, 8 of the RBs were on rookie contracts. 

6 were either on their 2nd team with a prove or deal, or older aged players with what could have been they’re final contract. 

Like Blount who bounced around everywhere on low budget contracts, never earning over 2m a season but also only eclipsing 1,000 yards twice in his career. 

 

Pacheco 7th rd, rookie contract

 

Akers 2nd rd, rookie contract

 

Fournette 1st rd, 4th overall pick, one year prove it deal with Bucs

 

Williams undrafted, prove it contract with chiefs

 

Michel 1st rd, 31st overall, rookie contract

 

Blount Eagles- undrafted, bounced around always on prove it deals

 

Blount Pats- see above

 

Anderson undrafted, rookie contract

 

Blount Pats- see above

 

Harvin 1st rd, 22nd overall, prove it contract

 

Rice 2nd rd, rookie contract

 

Bradshaw 7th rd, rookie contract

 

Starks 6th rd, rookie contract

 

Thomas undrafted, rookie contract

 

3 were first rd picks, 2 were second rd picks, 4 players but 7 spots by undrafted players (Blount). Then throw in Lynch in Theory was the 2013 Seahawks RB but because Denver’s defense was so insane, they shut him down to 39 yards rushing that game. 

 

High draft picks account for almost half of that list, prove it contracts account for the majority. But in the end, the high draft picks are clearly better than the Blounts of the world (minus his 1 insane season). The big name, early draft picks are still remembered as the prove it undrafted guys are generally forgotten and even out of football before their time. 

 

Point is, if you get a shot at a rookie RB that can make a difference in a rookie contract, you take it. And I would generally argue that taking one in the first round is not just worth it, but recommended because you get the 5th year option for that player at a relatively decent price before they begin their 2nd contract. 

 

With all that being said, I really don’t see what’s special about Bijan Robinson at all and don’t understand the love fest for him. I don’t generally watch college ball, but come this time of the year I watch a lot of highlight films leading up to the draft. He’s not particularly fast, or that agile, or powerful. The only thing I can say about him is that he makes it look effortless. But I have no idea if that’s because he’s that good, or because his line created holes for him to look that way. 
 

roast away 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I believe the draft capital was wasted using 3rd picks on RBs from the beginning. Imagine how good the offensive line would be with those picks. Go around the league and see how many quality offensive linemen were selected in the 3rd

Yeah, we could’ve drafted another Cody ford and Spencer brown had we not taken motor and moss!

 

😘 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

 

Of the last 14 super bowls, 8 of the RBs were on rookie contracts. 

6 were either on their 2nd team with a prove or deal, or older aged players with what could have been they’re final contract. 

Like Blount who bounced around everywhere on low budget contracts, never earning over 2m a season but also only eclipsing 1,000 yards twice in his career. 

 

Pacheco 7th rd, rookie contract

 

Akers 2nd rd, rookie contract

 

Fournette 1st rd, 4th overall pick, one year prove it deal with Bucs

 

Williams undrafted, prove it contract with chiefs

 

Michel 1st rd, 31st overall, rookie contract

 

Blount Eagles- undrafted, bounced around always on prove it deals

 

Blount Pats- see above

 

Anderson undrafted, rookie contract

 

Blount Pats- see above

 

Harvin 1st rd, 22nd overall, prove it contract

 

Rice 2nd rd, rookie contract

 

Bradshaw 7th rd, rookie contract

 

Starks 6th rd, rookie contract

 

Thomas undrafted, rookie contract

 

3 were first rd picks, 2 were second rd picks, 4 players but 7 spots by undrafted players (Blount). Then throw in Lynch in Theory was the 2013 Seahawks RB but because Denver’s defense was so insane, they shut him down to 39 yards rushing that game. 

 

High draft picks account for almost half of that list, prove it contracts account for the majority. But in the end, the high draft picks are clearly better than the Blounts of the world (minus his 1 insane season). The big name, early draft picks are still remembered as the prove it undrafted guys are generally forgotten and even out of football before their time. 

 

Point is, if you get a shot at a rookie RB that can make a difference in a rookie contract, you take it. And I would generally argue that taking one in the first round is not just worth it, but recommended because you get the 5th year option for that player at a relatively decent price before they begin their 2nd contract. 

 

With all that being said, I really don’t see what’s special about Bijan Robinson at all and don’t understand the love fest for him. I don’t generally watch college ball, but come this time of the year I watch a lot of highlight films leading up to the draft. He’s not particularly fast, or that agile, or powerful. The only thing I can say about him is that he makes it look effortless. But I have no idea if that’s because he’s that good, or because his line created holes for him to look that way. 
 

roast away 

Robinson is a tackle-breaking machine.  And not fast?  Dalvin Cook was clocked at 4.5 pre-combine and pulled off a 4.4 at the combine.  Robinson was clocked at 4.49.  If he can shave time at the combine like Dalvin did, he'll be one of the fastest players in the draft.

 

 

[mrags]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Robinson is a tackle-breaking machine.  And not fast?  Dalvin Cook was clocked at 4.5 pre-combine and pulled off a 4.4 at the combine.  Robinson was clocked at 4.49.  If he can shave time at the combine like Dalvin did, he'll be one of the fastest players in the draft.

 

 

Ok. Like I said. I just don’t see it. His highlights make me feel like I’m watching jag

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

 

 

 

With all that being said, I really don’t see what’s special about Bijan Robinson at all and don’t understand the love fest for him. I don’t generally watch college ball, but come this time of the year I watch a lot of highlight films leading up to the draft. He’s not particularly fast, or that agile, or powerful. The only thing I can say about him is that he makes it look effortless. But I have no idea if that’s because he’s that good, or because his line created holes for him to look that way. 
 

roast away 

From what I’ve watched-

 

-he has elite vision, which is the most underrated attribute of RBs imo.
-for a man of his size and strength, his agility and ability it tight quarters might be the best I’ve ever seen.  

- close to elite contact balance.   
-maybe not “elite” elusiveness and explosion, but it’s close

- very good receiver and in pass protection

 

I bet he runs a sub 4.5 40.

he’s special-  top 5 player in the draft regardless of position imo.  
 

that said-  i’d much rather have a WR or an OL.

 

[Billz4ever]

Just now, NewEra said:

From what I’ve watched-

 

-he has elite vision, which is the most underrated attribute of RBs imo.
-for a man of his size and strength, his agility and ability it tight quarters might be the best I’ve ever seen.  

- close to elite contact balance.   
-maybe not “elite” elusiveness and explosion, but it’s close

- very good receiver and in pass protection

 

I bet he runs a sub 4.5 40.

he’s special-  top 5 player in the draft regardless of position imo.  
 

that said-  i’d much rather have a WR or an OL.

 

 

Seeing how light this draft is at true first round WR talent and OL talent too for that matter, if he's there at 27, even though I've said 100 times I doubt he is, we'd be foolish not to take him. 

 

I don't recall many drafts where you see any of what's considered top-5 draft talent to fall to the end of the round.

 

I also think he'd be a much better short yardage back for us too.  Seems our only short yardage options are always either throw or QB sneak.

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

From what I’ve watched-

 

-he has elite vision, which is the most underrated attribute of RBs imo.
-for a man of his size and strength, his agility and ability it tight quarters might be the best I’ve ever seen.  

- close to elite contact balance.   
-maybe not “elite” elusiveness and explosion, but it’s close

- very good receiver and in pass protection

 

I bet he runs a sub 4.5 40.

he’s special-  top 5 player in the draft regardless of position imo.  
 

that said-  i’d much rather have a WR or an OL.

 

Love the vision stuff. That way he can see the DT as he's getting hit in the backfield. 😉😁😂

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

From what I’ve watched-

 

-he has elite vision, which is the most underrated attribute of RBs imo.
-for a man of his size and strength, his agility and ability it tight quarters might be the best I’ve ever seen.  

- close to elite contact balance.   
-maybe not “elite” elusiveness and explosion, but it’s close

- very good receiver and in pass protection

 

I bet he runs a sub 4.5 40.

he’s special-  top 5 player in the draft regardless of position imo.  
 

that said-  i’d much rather have a WR or an OL.

 

You were doing so well until the last line 😎

[Thrivefourfive]

The Bills did this to us. We shouldn’t even have to be looking at this guy. Billls should’ve handled RB years ago, every year, making sure it wasn’t a weak spot. Look at the turnover in KC at the position. I need two hands to count the number of productive backs they’ve had over the past five years.. with bad Olines too.. We should be be able to focus on OLine and WR, two positions at most, and not almost ALL positions except QB. The Robinson scenario should’ve been solved years ago.