Texas RB Bijan Robinson

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If you could convince me we land a dynamic WR in the 2nd and OL guys like Avila and Vorhees in 3rd/4th then sign me up. Bijan would probably be more versatile as a power back then Hall.  But we somehow gotta land a wr & 2 olineman by the 4th pick.  McD can have the 5th/6th for D.

I'm still not convinced at all that a guy who's already considered to be a top 5 talent is somehow going to fall in our laps at 27 like it's divine intervention or something. 

I see more and more mocks having us get him, but I still don't understand the how part.
 

What am I missing here? I get he's a RB, but several teams ahead of us need one and if he's that great why would they turn him down, but he's considered a must for us?

 

[John from Riverside]

Picking through the mock drafts, I’m seeing a lot of Bijan Robinson in the area where we pick
 

I don’t know man the thought of having a player that touches the ball that takes pressure off of Josh Allen sounds really intriguing

 

He’s a big boy to get away from using these undersized running backs, he reminds me of the kind of guy that you could win in December with

 

We would also need to address the line, but we could do that in the second round

[Pete]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Our office is not broke. We were top-five in the NFL last year.
 

You should always be trying to improve every position, though

how did they do against the Bengals?  I agree with Beane- you are who are are at the last game

[SCBills]

18 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Trade ups happen when they have a specific positional player they're going after.  In this draft, I don't know as we have that scenario.

 

Unless he's specifically chasing someone like Robinson and doesn't expect him to fall to us at #27, I don't really see it happening. 

 

I don't know as Beane sees RB as a vital need here and if going for BPA, that typically happens at your normal draft position. I don't think you historically see a lot of BPA picks come from a trade up vs a pick at the normal draft position.

 

If Addison falls to 20.. I'm going to be anxiety ridden every pick waiting to see we traded up.

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Picking through the mock drafts, I’m seeing a lot of Bijan Robinson in the area where we pick
 

I don’t know man the thought of having a player that touches the ball that takes pressure off of Josh Allen sounds really intriguing

 

He’s a big boy to get away from using these undersized running backs, he reminds me of the kind of guy that you could win in December with

 

We would also need to address the line, but we could do that in the second round

and free agency. Unless you're one of the people who think the cap is real.

[Billz4ever]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Picking through the mock drafts, I’m seeing a lot of Bijan Robinson in the area where we pick
 

I don’t know man the thought of having a player that touches the ball that takes pressure off of Josh Allen sounds really intriguing

 

He’s a big boy to get away from using these undersized running backs, he reminds me of the kind of guy that you could win in December with

 

We would also need to address the line, but we could do that in the second round

If he's there at 27, which I doubt, I think we have to pull the trigger.  I just don't see a guy who's being compared to Saquon Barkley, who went #2 overall, falling almost to the end of the round.  Makes no sense, IMO.

 

If we somehow did pull it off, would be a great backfield similar to the Ingram and Kamara duo.  In 2017, Ingram was over 1K yds and Kamara was over 700.  Just gotta get Dorsey to get Cook involved in the passing game like Kamara is so well.

Edited February 9, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Starting to come around to this idea more and more if it's at 27 and they don't move up.

 

I mean the comparison for him is Saquon Barkley...he would help the run game as much as OLinemen would.

 

We talk about the need to draft elite players? Well, this would be an elite player and probably far better than anyone else available at our pick. I doubt he is there tho. Always some team that will value him highly as the best RB in the class.

 

Depends what happens pre-draft.  There are a lot of free agents, and i think Buffalo will dip their toes in there so they have a backup plan.  

[st pete gogolak]

Assuming we don't do anything in FA because of cap issues other than resign Edmunds or sign Edmunds' replacement (would love to pry Bobby Wagner from the Rams to provide some vet leadership in the middle), would it make sense to draft Robinson if he is available?  I don't follow college ball but if he is truly a top #5 or top #10 prospect, yes.  An elite running back is something we haven't had since McCoy.  Draft OL rounds #2 and #3 and live with the WR's you have (Diggs, Davis and Shakir), hope Spencer Brown is better.  Not a foolproof plan but there isn't one of those out there.

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Assuming we don't do anything in FA because of cap issues other than resign Edmunds or sign Edmunds' replacement (would love to pry Bobby Wagner from the Rams to provide some vet leadership in the middle), would it make sense to draft Robinson if he is available?  I don't follow college ball but if he is truly a top #5 or top #10 prospect, yes.  An elite running back is something we haven't had since McCoy.  Draft OL rounds #2 and #3 and live with the WR's you have (Diggs, Davis and Shakir), hope Spencer Brown is better.  Not a foolproof plan but there isn't one of those out there.

Any plan where we “live with the WRs you have” is the worst plan possible. 
 

sorry

[Solomon Grundy]

48 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Assuming we don't do anything in FA because of cap issues other than resign Edmunds or sign Edmunds' replacement (would love to pry Bobby Wagner from the Rams to provide some vet leadership in the middle), would it make sense to draft Robinson if he is available?  I don't follow college ball but if he is truly a top #5 or top #10 prospect, yes.  An elite running back is something we haven't had since McCoy.  Draft OL rounds #2 and #3 and live with the WR's you have (Diggs, Davis and Shakir), hope Spencer Brown is better.  Not a foolproof plan but there isn't one of those out there.

Get your replacement for Spencer Brown in rd 2. Get center/guard in rd 3. Need to sure up the right side immediately. I think that improves the passing game more than adding a receiver. I believe Josh was more worried about making a defender miss him than he was looking for his receivers. Adding Bijan would make the offense more dynamic. Darnell Walker and Joe Tippman in draft can help fix the offensive line problems. NFL draft comp for Tippman is Mitch Morse. 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 hours ago, Pete said:

How is the Jets line?  How did Breece Hall do?  Don’t draft or sign a JAG. 
off topic- but when I watch todays NFL I think Joe Cribbs was so far ahead of NFL.  This Bills team could use Joe Cribbs in his prime.  Cribbs would be a superstar 

 

Pacheco was a steal.  The Bills really need a bruising, short yardage back

 

Neither the Jets or the Bills had good lines last year.

 

Yet Breece Hall finished with about the same numbers as James Cook............5.8 ypr versus 5.7 for Cook.......and Cook had more carries and didn't blow his knee out doing it.    

 

So are you also suggesting the Jets should select Bijan Robinson or are they all set for the next 10 years with the knee braced Breece?

 

Hall wasn't an option to the Bills outside of selecting him in round 1 and while I didn't care for the Cook selection either I am not too busted up about having a potential CB1 in Elam versus having Breece Hall.    

 

CB is an island position.......while RB is the position on offense that is most reliant on others.    Hall and Cook had good numbers but over the course of a larger sample size they won't do that without better blocking.

 

Pacheco wasn't a steal.........he was the right amount of investment in the right amount of talent.    You can get winning production from late round or UDFA backs.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Get your replacement for Spencer Brown in rd 2. Get center/guard in rd 3. Need to sure up the right side immediately. I think that improves the passing game more than adding a receiver. I believe Josh was more worried about making a defender miss him than he was looking for his receivers. Adding Bijan would make the offense more dynamic. Darnell Walker and Joe Tippman in draft can help fix the offensive line problems. NFL draft comp for Tippman is Mitch Morse. 

I think most fans just want a dynamic "wow" offensive playmaker at 27. Whether it be guys like Bijan or Quentin falling,  who knows? We can still land great OL value in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.  The first 3 picks need to be dedicated to Josh.

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Neither the Jets or the Bills had good lines last year.

 

Yet Breece Hall finished with about the same numbers as James Cook............5.8 ypr versus 5.7 for Cook.......and Cook had more carries and didn't blow his knee out doing it.    

 

So are you also suggesting the Jets should select Bijan Robinson or are they all set for the next 10 years with the knee braced Breece?

 

Hall wasn't an option to the Bills outside of selecting him in round 1 and while I didn't care for the Cook selection either I am not too busted up about having a potential CB1 in Elam versus having Breece Hall.    

 

CB is an island position.......while RB is the position on offense that is most reliant on others.    Hall and Cook had good numbers but over the course of a larger sample size they won't do that without better blocking.

 

Pacheco wasn't a steal.........he was the right amount of investment in the right amount of talent.    You can get winning production from late round or UDFA backs.

To me 5'11 215 4.37 combine 40 and tough as nails means he was a steal in the 7th round. He wasn't really featured at Rutgers and was used a lot as a blocker. Even having to project his transition to the next level on the basis of incomplete info one might have seen him go in the fourth or fifth rounds. He's a stud.

Edited February 9, 2023 by starrymessenger

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

To me 5'11 215 4.37 combine 40 and tough as nails means he was a steal in the 7th round. He wasn't really featured at Rutgers and was used a lot as a blocker. Even having to project his transition to the next level on the basis of incomplete info one might have seen him go in the fourth or fifth rounds. He's a stud.

 

 

Not featured?  Pacheco had about 600 touches at Rutgers..........about twice what James Cook had at Georgia.............that's PLENTY of usage...........you don't want or need to see anymore than that.

 

The elite, durable athletes stopped playing RB about 15 years ago.   That's when the "wall" for runners started retreating from age 30 down to age 26.

 

It's been my opinion that once you start seeing 700-800 touches at the college level I expect the wear and tear to show pretty early at the pro level............and as it so happens that has been the case with Etienne and Hall blowing tires as rookies.   

 

Pacheco didn't produce more at Rutgers because he's not an instinctive runner and Rutgers wasn't winning at the LOS......so there were a lot of ineffective collisions and a paltry average of about 4 yards per carry.

 

He's not a "stud".

 

But when you can block like KC can.........you don't need all the tools of a great RB to produce like one.    

 

Which is all that matters at the position.    Producing yardage and executing assignments.   Doesn't matter who does it.........you can turn over your RB roster every year and still run the ball well.    The same can't be said for the passing game athletes or the OL etc..........which is why RB is the least important individual position on the offense.

 

 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not featured?  Pacheco had about 600 touches at Rutgers..........about twice what James Cook had at Georgia.............that's PLENTY of usage...........you don't want or need to see anymore than that.

 

The elite, durable athletes stopped playing RB about 15 years ago.   That's when the "wall" for runners started retreating from age 30 down to age 26.

 

It's been my opinion that once you start seeing 700-800 touches at the college level I expect the wear and tear to show pretty early at the pro level............and as it so happens that has been the case with Etienne and Hall blowing tires as rookies.   

 

Pacheco didn't produce more at Rutgers because he's not an instinctive runner and Rutgers wasn't winning at the LOS......so there were a lot of ineffective collisions and a paltry average of about 4 yards per carry.

 

He's not a "stud".

 

But when you can block like KC can.........you don't need all the tools of a great RB to produce like one.    

 

Which is all that matters at the position.    Producing yardage and executing assignments.   Doesn't matter who does it.........you can turn over your RB roster every year and still run the ball well.    The same can't be said for the passing game athletes or the OL etc..........which is why RB is the least important individual position on the offense.

 

 

James Cook, as you know, didn't see much action at Alabama until 2022. His first three years there he had fewer than 50 attempts per. Not a serious comparable to the use a normal service college back gets. If you compare Pacheco with say Bijan Robinson, he has as many carries in four years as Bijan has in three. 
Regardless, though he does benefit from a better run blocking line than our guys do, Pacheco seems to me to follow his blocking well, shows patience and vision and has plenty of burst. He is better than the guy they picked in the first round a couple of years ago and has supplanted him. He's also better than either of our third round selections for the position. Id much rather have used a 7th on him than the two threes we did. So I'd say he's a flat out steal in the 7th round.
I agree that you can find serviceable plug and play RBs in the later rounds who can help give you a ground game. I don't think that makes all RBs  interchangeable though.

[Dr. Who]

16 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

James Cook, as you know, didn't see much action at Alabama until 2022. His first three years there he had fewer than 50 attempts per. Not a serious comparable to the use a normal service college back gets. If you compare Pacheco with say Bijan Robinson, he has as many carries in four years as Bijan has in three. 
Regardless, though he does benefit from a better run blocking line than our guys do, Pacheco seems to me to follow his blocking well, shows patience and vision and has plenty of burst. He is better than the guy they picked in the first round a couple of years ago and has supplanted him. He's also better than either of our third round selections for the position. Id much rather have used a 7th on him than the two threes we did. So I'd say he's a flat out steal in the 7th round.
I agree that you can find serviceable plug and play RBs in the later rounds who can help give you a ground game. I don't think that makes all RBs  interchangeable though.

Georgia.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

If he's there, he's the pick. He's a the total package, and a great receiver on top of all of that. I doubt he'll be there. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

If he's there, he's the pick. He's a the total package, and a great receiver on top of all of that. I doubt he'll be there. 

Yeah, you gotta take him if he falls. He's supposed to be gone mid 1st.  Singletary is out the door anyway.  This would pivot us into taking WR @ 59.  Then pray there's a couple good olineman in the next 2 picks.  RB, WR, OL, OL...yes please.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

If he's there, he's the pick. He's a the total package, and a great receiver on top of all of that. I doubt he'll be there. 

 

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, you gotta take him if he falls. He's supposed to be gone mid 1st.  Singletary is out the door anyway.  This would pivot us into taking WR @ 59.  Then pray there's a couple good olineman in the next 2 picks.  RB, WR, OL, OL...yes please.

 

This is the point they were making on WGR this morning. 

 

Robinson is a good receiving back too. 

 

But we've seen, not with this team. He won't catch passes, and he will render Cook useless (and by proxy Hines). 

 

 

[Senth]

OL please.