GQP: A 30 PERCENT NATIONAL SALES TAX

[Westside]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.semafor.com/article/01/18/2023/republicans-worry-a-national-sales-tax-bill-would-be-a-political-gift-for-democrats.  I'm gonna leave this here again cuz it's profound and hilarious at the same time:  Grover Norquist guiding the R's to the "left".🙃

 

I'm wondering if any simpleton has done an analysis on how much more in tax the average MAGA will pay.

Put your money where your mouth is and do the work yourself to figure it out.

Oh, you were being facetious. Carry on comrade.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Westside said:

And a hundred or even a thousand poor for every rich liberal in the blue cities.

Well, there’s more people overall. The trailer parks are full of rural poor, and they are everywhere 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Westside said:

Put your money where your mouth is and do the work yourself to figure it out.

Oh, you were being facetious. Carry on comrade.

back of the envelope, ghengis.  It's not difficult.  Use the income demographics from last prez election X the proposed .30 consumption tax=economic suicide for MAGA.  One can only hope the traitors have more "good" ideas...

[Westside]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Well, there’s more people overall. The trailer parks are full of rural poor, and they are everywhere 

 

 

Trailer parks are just a little blip compared to the generations of poor people living in the blue cities. 
 

Outside of the occasional trailer parks and the mountain people of the Appalachians. These poor rural areas you speak of don’t really exist. Unlike any democratic run cities with the miles and miles of ghettos that house generations of welfare recipients.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

back of the envelope, ghengis.  It's not difficult.  Use the income demographics from last prez election X the proposed .30 consumption tax=economic suicide for MAGA.  One can only hope the traitors have more "good" ideas...

The “traitors” have been voted out. The America hating left is no longer in charge of the house.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Westside said:

Trailer parks are just a little blip compared to the generations of poor people living in the blue cities. 
 

Outside of the occasional trailer parks and the mountain people of the Appalachians. These poor rural areas you speak of don’t really exist. Unlike any democratic run cities with the miles and miles of ghettos that house generations of welfare recipients.

 

 

 

The “traitors” have been voted out. The America hating left is no longer in charge of the house.

you did see the life expectancy in the south vs the rest of the country right (evolution in real time?)?  Look at the average incomes in those states.  I won't do your homework either but average incomes for all states are tabulated and available.  Here's a hint:  Red rural states aren't faring well.  And race is only a minor factor.

 

the traitors have a tiny, fragile majority in the house.  The tax issue illustrates it as many R's there don't even want to bring it to a vote.  Meanwhile, the patriots on the other side are becoming more united as they are in the Senate and White House.  But nice try, I guess.

Edited January 19, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

On 1/19/2023 at 11:02 AM, redtail hawk said:

you did see the life expectancy in the south vs the rest of the country right (evolution in real time?)?  Look at the average incomes in those states.  I won't do your homework either but average incomes for all states are tabulated and available.  Here's a hint:  Red rural states aren't faring well.  And race is only a minor factor.

 

the traitors have a tiny, fragile majority in the house.  The tax issue illustrates it as many R's there don't even want to bring it to a vote.  Meanwhile, the patriots on the other side are becoming more united as they are in the Senate and White House.  But nice try, I guess.

low socio-economic areas have high rates of crime and lower life expectancy.  

 

Both trailer parks/poor rural and the Bad parts of every city are fine examples of this.

 

 

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Welp. people that dont have to deal with things like paying taxes or income taxes are probably very upset at any lies about having to start paying taxes.

 

people were not taxed on their labor till 1914.  was all consumption and tariffs for federal revenue before that. 

 

and even then it was sold as 1% and only for the rich.

 

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Is it tax free if I pay with Roth money?

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

While don’t support a national sales tax, the tweet is typical unserious thinking. 

[Gene Frenkle]

Inflation is raging. The Fed has continued to print dollars at an alarming rate. Salaries have not caught up to inflated prices.

 

 

So they want us to pay 30% on inflated prices instead of being taxed on our incomes, which are relatively deflated as more dollars are printed. As per usual, the 99% get screwed while the 1% presumably find ways around paying the new 30% sales tax? Call me a cynic,, but I feel like the average American is yet again taking it up the arse here. Thanks, old rich white guys!

 

What am I missing here?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Gene Frenkle said:

Inflation is raging. The Fed has continued to print dollars at an alarming rate. Salaries have not caught up to inflated prices.

 

 

So they want us to pay 30% on inflated prices instead of being taxed on our incomes, which are relatively deflated as more dollars are printed. As per usual, the 99% get screwed while the 1% presumably find ways around paying the new 30% sales tax? Call me a cynic,, but I feel like the average American is yet again taking it up the arse here. Thanks, old rich white guys!

 

What am I missing here?

Here’s what you’re missing: If you make a major change in the taxation system, you’re also going to see other major changes at the same time, and/or over the following few years. It’s foolish fear mongering to think that everything else in the American economic system would remain the same.

 

Again, I do not support a national sales tax. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Seems to me the 30% is nothing more than the usual drive for more revenue.

 

Corps and businesses would pay out the ars for buying materials.  but would pass it along to us plebs while we also pay the 30%

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Chris farley

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Here’s what you’re missing: If you make a major change in the taxation system, you’re also going to see other major changes at the same time, and/or over the following few years. It’s foolish fear mongering to think that everything else in the American economic system would remain the same.

 

Again, I do not support a national sales tax. 

 

Yeah, I'd like to see those "other things" before considering this. Sounds more like "I'm sure they'll do other things to make it more eqitable", which judging by our current inequitable situation, is not something I will assume. Forgive my skepticism.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Yeah, I'd like to see those "other things" before considering this. Sounds more like "I'm sure they'll do other things to make it more eqitable", which judging by our current inequitable situation, is not something I will assume. Forgive my skepticism.

Your skepticism is well warranted Gene. But this sort of a change is so big you’d be a fool to think it could ever be enacted without other connected changes to pay scales, the tax code, etc. 

 

[T master]

On 1/18/2023 at 11:35 AM, BillStime said:

No way the cult make red states self sufficient and less reliant on Lady Liberty’s big fat nip. 

 

Well maybe not but i do know that people have been fleeing NY, CA, OR, & other libs states to come to Tenn.

 

Along with a ton of big business because the state is in a lot better place fiscally & morally than those & others i mentioned thanks to the leadership voted into office here !! Thank you Gov. Lee !!  

 

 I just hope those moving here realize what made the states they are leaving the way they are & change their voting to stay with what has made the state of Tenn. a destination in more ways than 1 .

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Your skepticism is well warranted Gene. But this sort of a change is so big you’d be a fool to think it could ever be enacted without other connected changes to pay scales, the tax code, etc. 

 

 

I don't trust any of them to do what's best for the rest of us.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Gene Frenkle said:

 

I don't trust any of them to do what's best for the rest of us.

Who are the ‘them’ and the ‘us’?

 

By the way, you do realize the same untrustworthy ‘thems’ are running things now, right? 😉

[Gene Frenkle]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Who are the ‘them’ and the ‘us’?

 

By the way, you do realize the same untrustworthy ‘thems’ are running things now, right? 😉

 

Are you a billionaire who hangs out on a BB political mb every day? There are the wealthy and the poor. If you don't know which you are, it is the latter.

[ChiGoose]

Another in a long line of unpopular GOP policies designed at helping the rich at the expense of the rest of us. 
 

This is also why they spend all their time talking about culture war issues to get people mad and rile up their base: GOP policies are generally deeply unpopular with the average Americans so they want people voting based on anger and fear, not policies. 

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well maybe not but i do know that people have been fleeing NY, CA, OR, & other libs states to come to Tenn.

 

Along with a ton of big business because the state is in a lot better place fiscally & morally than those & others i mentioned thanks to the leadership voted into office here !! Thank you Gov. Lee !!  

 

 I just hope those moving here realize what made the states they are leaving the way they are & change their voting to stay with what has made the state of Tenn. a destination in more ways than 1 .

 

You lost me at MORALLY