Allen led all QB's in PFF Offensive Grade at 91.8

[Big Turk]

3rd in passing at 86.1

2nd in rushing at 92.4

 

1st overall at 91.8.  

 

I know it's PFF, but this kinda refutes the notion that his turnovers mean he isn't as good as other QB's

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Joe Marino on his pod yesterday pointed out that Allen’s INT % last year vs this year was (paraphrasing the specifics but this is close) 2.4% to 2.6%…his point was Josh statistically not materially worse in the category. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Joe Marino on his pod yesterday pointed out that Allen’s INT % last year vs this year was (paraphrasing the specifics but this is close) 2.4% to 2.6%…his point was Josh statistically not materially worse in the category. 

 

I think we just are going to have to live with what he does.  He will drive us crazy with some turnovers but he will also make more unbelievable plays in a season than most QB's do in their career.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Studies show 86.4% of people that quote statistics are making them up. 

 

But the color graphs make it look legit. 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[Seventeen]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think we just are going to have to live with what he does.  He will drive us crazy with some turnovers but he will also make more unbelievable plays in a season than most QB's do in their career.

 

Different era, but Jimbo drove me crazy back in the day with INTs. We'll be OK.

[DaggersEOD]

13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Joe Marino on his pod yesterday pointed out that Allen’s INT % last year vs this year was (paraphrasing the specifics but this is close) 2.4% to 2.6%…his point was Josh statistically not materially worse in the category. 

I don’t disagree, but I think where the ints are occurring (RZ) that’s making them more impactful/noticeable. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

15 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I don’t disagree, but I think where the ints are occurring (RZ) that’s making them more impactful/noticeable. 

Fair point.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I think the big mistake we make with Josh here is comparing his 2022 regular season only to the 2021 playoffs and not the 2021 regular season.  It's a recency bias thing and after watching the perfect game against NE and the shootout against KC we started unrealistically expecting mistake free games littered all over the place. 

[Ya Digg?]

Just now, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think the big mistake we make with Josh here is comparing his 2022 regular season only to the 2021 playoffs and not the 2021 regular season.  It's a recency bias thing and after watching the perfect game against NE and the shootout against KC we started unrealistically expecting mistake free games littered all over the place. 

100000% agree with this-he also started out the season on fire, on track to smash the total yards for a season record, MVP front runner….we are (myself included) a very spoiled bunch. The mistakes drive you crazy, then you watch the touchdown to Davis and you remember that very few can make that throw 

[Scott7975]

36 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think the big mistake we make with Josh here is comparing his 2022 regular season only to the 2021 playoffs and not the 2021 regular season.  It's a recency bias thing and after watching the perfect game against NE and the shootout against KC we started unrealistically expecting mistake free games littered all over the place. 

 

This.  People are expecting perfect games and that just doesnt happen much for any QB.  Unrealistic expectations.  While I think he does need to tone down the turnovers, we dont get those amazing big plays that not many on this planet can even make without the aggressiveness that he has.

 

We need those big plays because this team doesnt have enough talent around him to consistently march methodically down the field on 15+ play drives.

 

At the end of the regular season he had 2 more Ints than Mahomes.  Burrow had more ints than Allen over the last 7 games but no one wants to mention that stuff.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Scott7975

[Jauronimo]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure who said it but someone mentioned with Josh as QB the Bills have the largest margin for error in the league…. It’s so true…. Still that margin gets slimmer with better competition. Gotta hope he cuts it out even slightly if they want to advance.

The margin didn't look very wide on Sunday as we found ourselves trailing a team that barely managed 200 yards of offense.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Joe Marino on his pod yesterday pointed out that Allen’s INT % last year vs this year was (paraphrasing the specifics but this is close) 2.4% to 2.6%…his point was Josh statistically not materially worse in the category. 

 

I think some of the current impression is not just the numbers, but also the fact that some were so head scratching it seemed like it should count more than once somehow in my mind. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said:

I don’t disagree, but I think where the ints are occurring (RZ) that’s making them more impactful/noticeable. 

Which is kind of odd to me…RZ interceptions conceptually feel the worst but an interception on your own side of the field is a lot worse.  

22 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The margin didn't look very wide on Sunday as we found ourselves trailing a team that barely managed 200 yards of offense.  

I think that is literally OPs point…the margin of error is how much you can fudge around and still win the game and we fudged around a lot and still won the game lol

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Three turnovers. One returned for a TD. Two awful special teams plays setting up short fields for Miami…. A ***** ton of mistakes and they still won…. Yes if they do that against Cincy they are *****.

The margin is a lot wider when Allen isn't the one making the errors.

[LeGOATski]

Despite the turnovers, he makes throws that I saw no other QB make this weekend and those have a bigger impact.

 

In particular, those throws at the CBs whose backs are turned to Josh. That's so impressive to me. He did it last week on the throw to Diggs that was perfectly placed behind the CB and then this week on the TD to Knox that was perfectly placed ahead of the CB (and an equally amazing catch by Knox).

 

That's not just great anticipation and throwing to a spot; it's perfection in every aspect of a throw: anticipation, accuracy, velocity, timing...everything. He couldn't walk up and place the ball any better.

 

Just another new evolution to Josh's game.

[Drew21PA]

I really don’t feel most talking heads believe what they are saying

 

i think I’m into FS1 cowherd and Nick Wright - doing what sells and bashing Allen right now to get Bills fans riled up 

 

former athletes and nfl players on nfl network and others say Josh is just Josh and he’s awesome still no matter what.

 

besides the two picks what other qb can do what he did on Sunday?

[saundena]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Joe Marino on his pod yesterday pointed out that Allen’s INT % last year vs this year was (paraphrasing the specifics but this is close) 2.4% to 2.6%…his point was Josh statistically not materially worse in the category. 

 

I listen to Joe Marino too (love his podcast) and I was surprised to hear that JA's INT % basically remained the same.  I think it's just as important to consider fumbles (total and lost) because Josh definitely seems to be fumbling more than last year.  

[clayboy54]

4 minutes ago, saundena said:

 

I listen to Joe Marino too (love his podcast) and I was surprised to hear that JA's INT % basically remained the same.  I think it's just as important to consider fumbles (total and lost) because Josh definitely seems to be fumbling more than last year.  

4 more turnovers than last year over 17 games. Not a big deal, but yes, 4 more. I just don’t see a major change in the way Josh is playing. I really like the risk/reward return, honestly. He threw for more yards and scored more TDs than last year along the way.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think we just are going to have to live with what he does.  He will drive us crazy with some turnovers but he will also make more unbelievable plays in a season than most QB's do in their career.

If he plays like Favre so be it. Just land us a couple Lombardis over the next decade.

[TheBrownBear]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think we just are going to have to live with what he does.  He will drive us crazy with some turnovers but he will also make more unbelievable plays in a season than most QB's do in their career.

I agree.  I live in San Diego and Tony Gwynn Jr. has a radio show here.  He always calls Josh "Brett Favre" with superior physical ability.  I'm starting to think it an apt comparison.