For the Dorsey Haters

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 hours ago, LEBills said:

Lol one was an actual deep completion to Diggs that helped us start 17-0. 
 

I think Josh did determine where he was going with the ball prior to the snap many times when he saw single high and knowing he was going to have pressure really fast, rather than going through progressions. Especially on those play action shots, I’m ok with that. 
 

All this hand wringing about the game needs to relax. Miami was a tough out for us all year so it was always going to be a tighter game than predicted. Additionally, the Dolphins knew that they needed to force turnovers and so sent a blitz on nearly 40% of Josh’s drop backs. They certainly got their turnovers but they still let up 34 points and lost with that gamble everything strategy. No other team in the playoffs is going to blitz Josh like that and if they do he will make them pay again.

Dorsey could do a little more to counteract some of the Blitzing which will help Josh. Screens, heavy packages, etc which will stop Josh from going deep if that is what Dorsey wants. But I think they knew this was coming and this was the game plan. Go Bills!!

 

Burrow does the same things by the way.

 

You don’t think he took one look at Tre White on Ja’Marr Chase and said I’m throwing deep here? 
 

 

[Billsfan1972]

12 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Did you watch the Cowboys tonight score 30+ ?

 

Wasn’t because Dak played it safe all night. 
 

Why do you want the Bills to become the Indianapolis Colts on offense? 
 

Should we trade for Zack Moss again and start the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense? 

Some here love the idea of three yards & a cloud of dust offense.....🤣🙄

 

Just watched the video in the thread and see Gabe drop the long ball (i.e. the semi-contested catch we haven't seen a Bill make all year).  Shakir drops a perfect 54 yarder, Beasley causes an Int as it bounces off his chest.  Brown breaks off route resulting in another interception.

 

The best is the video showing the perfect read to Davis (was a nice catch as underthrown) and anticipating and hitting Diggs for 50 and just missing him on the first play from scrimmage.

 

I say double down given the same opportunities.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[quinnearlysghost88]

I don’t hate Dorsey, it’s just clear Josh is calling the shots. Next year, Josh needs a veteran OC to keep up with his growth. Someone who can take him to the next level and put him in a position to excel in a system where he’s the captain of the offense not the entire offense. 

34 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Some here love the idea of three yards & a cloud of dust offense.....🤣🙄

 

Just watched the video in the thread and see Gabe drop the long ball (i.e. the semi-contested catch we haven't seen all year).  Shakir drops a perfect 54 yarder, Beasley causes an Int as it bounces off his chest.  Brown breaks off route resulting in another interception.

 

The best is the video showing the perfect read to Davis (was a nice catch as underthrown) and anticipating and hitting Diggs for 50 and just missing him on the first play from scrimmage.

 

I say double down given the same opportunities.

Drops go both ways. If waddle and hill catch their passes, we lose this game. Deep shots are fine, but the high risk, high reward long ball is not a real offensive strategy. 

[ALLEN1QB]

It all comes down to understanding your opponent and understanding the game situation and playing smart. Sunday the Bills did none of those and almost lost because of it. Do that against the Bengals and see what happens!

Edited January 17, 2023 by ALLEN1QB

[Billsfan1972]

26 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I don’t hate Dorsey, it’s just clear Josh is calling the shots. Next year, Josh needs a veteran OC to keep up with his growth. Someone who can take him to the next level and put him in a position to excel in a system where he’s the captain of the offense not the entire offense. 

Drops go both ways. If waddle and hill catch their passes, we lose this game. Deep shots are fine, but the high risk, high reward long ball is not a real offensive strategy. 

Waddle dropped one that would have put them around the 30 yard line early in the game.  And you're conceding a TD on that drive?  The Hill drop was a 8 yard pass on the Miami side of the field, and you're claiming it would have been a game changer too????  Not even I'm so cynical.

 

You quoted my post but said nothing about that I said as I pointed out drops (and catches too) on perfect balls that somehow shows Allen making the wrong read.  That was a joke video imo. 

[Punch]

I do appreciate the premise of this thread:

 

”Oh, you thought a thing? Well, another guy doesn’t.”

[quinnearlysghost88]

17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Waddle dropped one that would have put them around the 30 yard line early in the game.  And you're conceding a TD on that drive?  The Hill drop was a 8 yard pass on the Miami side of the field, and you're claiming it would have been a game changer too????  Not even I'm so cynical.

 

You quoted my post but said nothing about that I said as I pointed out drops (and catches too) on perfect balls that somehow shows Allen making the wrong read.  That was a joke video imo. 

Espn just said Waddle had three drops. The one was on our 28. Maybe a TD maybe a FG. Either the way we won by 3. He makes those catches, we’re in trouble. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

54 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I don’t hate Dorsey, it’s just clear Josh is calling the shots. Next year, Josh needs a veteran OC to keep up with his growth. Someone who can take him to the next level and put him in a position to excel in a system where he’s the captain of the offense not the entire offense. 

Drops go both ways. If waddle and hill catch their passes, we lose this game. Deep shots are fine, but the high risk, high reward long ball is not a real offensive strategy. 

So fire Dorsey and bring in a Norv Turner or Darrell Bevel type?

[peterpan]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I don't care for the tribal/partisan divides of haters and supporters, because I have a brain, but it's almost always been true during Josh's career that the offense succeeds most efficiently when he's calm and seeing the entire field. 

 

Zen Josh hasn't been talked about this season, and it shows. We're still awesome because Allen is so good and the team is good, but we're not getting that serene, patient, absolute assassin that we got at times the last two seasons. More shades of the boom or bust prospect we expected, but still probably best case for most of us around draft time.

 

 

This is very very true.  Allen gets rattled under pressure at time and it extended to times when he is not under pressure.

 

either way this team needs a huge improvement at WR if we are gonna play hero ball.  We lead the league in drops and brought two WRs out of retirement for the playoff push. 
 

we need to add a Mike evans type or two

[Straight Hucklebuck]

10 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

John Brown definitely ran the wrong route. 

 

He didn't stay straight, he ran out and up, and ran out of time. 

 

Pause the video when Josh begins to throw...John Brown is on running straight to the endzone, when the ball is in the air he veers off and then turns it back up. 

 

Last week our media loved it when Josh took the 1 on 1. 

 

This week it's a pick, so Josh needs to be "reigned in" 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Josh should continue to go balls deep!

[Drew21PA]

10 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

Wow.  Film session must have been awkward 

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

John Brown definitely ran the wrong route. 

 

He didn't stay straight, he ran out and up, and ran out of time. 

 

Pause the video when Josh begins to throw...John Brown is on running straight to the endzone, when the ball is in the air he veers off and then turns it back up. 

 

Last week our media loved it when Josh took the 1 on 1. 

 

This week it's a pick, so Josh needs to be "reigned in" 

Josh brown definitely ran the wrong route.  Still thought it was careless to throw that there personally.  When the pressure came I was hoping he was going to throw it away or a check down - but heaved it without a full step and full throw

 

just by how he threw it I knew it was going to be picked and be short of his target - just didn’t look smart if that makes sense 

[ddaryl]

I do agree with the thought process that Allen gets a little to greedy. We need to take our shots but I also like controlling the ball more and keeping it out of the opposing O's hands.

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I don't Hate Ken Dorsey but he does call the plays. Shorten up the passing game, run the ball more and the fans will be happy

I am tired of bombs away, it's a low percentage pass

 

 I'm not and how can you he tired of it, there wasn't a deep ball to be had for about 2 months while Josh was injured. He literally just started throwing deep again 2 games ago. I'm also not tired of scoring 34 points. Give me this offense any day of the week over injured Josh offense. Diggs averaged 16.6 ypc, Davis 18.8, Shakir 17.0(would've been alot higher if not for the drop), even Beasley averaged 17.5, which doesn't happen if Buffalo hadn't been throwing deep all game.

 

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

I don’t hate Dorsey but I’d like to see some creativity.

 

For example from this past weekend….

 

Saw the Jags use T Heavy in the backfield in the run game. Also the Cowboys last night used like a reverse wishbone with an OL in the backfield and threw off it. Basically “hey we are going to run”, nope, extra solid blockers in the backfield.

 

btw both plays were successful 

[Santana]

It's not Just Dorsey and it's not just Allen...It's both and it's probably more on Allen honestly. I've been watching this all season very very closely and Allen often times just refuses to take any underneath throws or layups. On Sunday there were 2x when he had guys open underneath and took the deeper throws and it paid off but he ends up forcing so much that the turnovers are sure to happen. Dorsey needs to call more running plays to nullify that part of Josh's game.

[Eastport bills]

Josh played much too aggressively after getting the big lead. The untimely picks, giving Miami short fields, was the result. This is the best thing that could have happened. He’s not only the most physically talented QB in football but he’s smart and coachable. I guarantee he will look for better options with his throws and prioritize ball security in the pocket and on QB runs. He will still take vertical shots down the field to keep the coverage honest but I can see more slot receiver, TE underneath throws and flares and check downs to backs. We are about to see our best version of this offense.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

Wow.  Film session must have been awkward 

Josh brown definitely ran the wrong route.  Still thought it was careless to throw that there personally.  When the pressure came I was hoping he was going to throw it away or a check down - but heaved it without a full step and full throw

 

just by how he threw it I knew it was going to be picked and be short of his target - just didn’t look smart if that makes sense 

 

 He threw the same ball, in the same way, to Brown the week before. He threw it up there and gave his guy a 1 on 1 shot. Brown screwed it up by breaking off the route, then didn't knock the ball down, but the worst of it is he ran right by Howard, failing to tackle him. Howard caught it at the 3 and returned it to Buffalo's 48. If he tackles him where he caught it Miami is pinned deep in its own territory. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I don’t hate Dorsey but I’d like to see some creativity.

 

For example from this past weekend….

 

Saw the Jags use T Heavy in the backfield in the run game. Also the Cowboys last night used like a reverse wishbone with an OL in the backfield and threw off it. Basically “hey we are going to run”, nope, extra solid blockers in the backfield.

 

btw both plays were successful 

 

 I've seen zero creativity from the offense this year also. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Santana said:

It's not Just Dorsey and it's not just Allen...It's both and it's probably more on Allen honestly. I've been watching this all season very very closely and Allen often times just refuses to take any underneath throws or layups. On Sunday there were 2x when he had guys open underneath and took the deeper throws and it paid off but he ends up forcing so much that the turnovers are sure to happen. Dorsey needs to call more running plays to nullify that part of Josh's game.

 

 I think it's been Dorsey's offensive philosophy to be really aggressive. He may not be a good pairing with Josh, who is already an aggressive passer to begin with.

 

 

 

[Santana]

13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He threw the same ball, in the same way, to Brown the week before. He threw it up there and gave his guy a 1 on 1 shot. Brown screwed it up by breaking off the route, then didn't knock the ball down, but the worst of it is he ran right by Howard, failing to tackle him. Howard caught it at the 3 and returned it to Buffalo's 48. If he tackles him where he caught it Miami is pinned deep in its own territory. 

 

 

 

 I've seen zero creativity from the offense this year also. 

 

 

 

 I think it's been Dorsey's offensive philosophy to be really aggressive. He may not be a good pairing with Josh, who is already an aggressive passer to begin with.

 

 

 

That's a really good point and I never thought about it like that. You're 100% right though, him and Josh are both way too aggressive in their approach. The best game that Josh played this season was the first game of the year against the Rams. He was absolutely surgical. He took everything that the defense was giving him and he was very calm and poised.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

42 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Josh should continue to go balls deep!

 

Hell yeah, I totally agree, that boy has got some big balls, just ask Wilkins!😂