Very good write-up on Josh Allen and the Bills this postseason

[Big Blitz]

No one has any idea what to expect.  
 

Love it. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Thought this was an accurate and well-done article with some telling video embedded

 

The ups and downs of Josh Allen's hyper-aggressive style, and where the Bills go from here

 

 

 

This is AWESOME, @Simon. Related, go to the discussion of the bills in the bill barnwell podcast here — it starts at around the 23 minute mark: 

 

 

[Saxum]

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But in a totally off-the-rails wild-card win over the Dolphins, we essentially got the entire Allen experience -- seven sacks, three fumbles, two picks, and seven big-time throws. The only thing missing was a hurdle of a linebacker. 

 

We are also missing him receiving a pass and stick arming through a defense player for a TD,

 

I wonder if Josh can punt.  Bills appear to be going for it on 4th and 16 and he backs up and punts it when no one on defense is expecting it and Brown runs down field and downs it in end zone.

[97bills]

13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I have been pounding the table for a month about this. Cook ended up tied for 14th in 20+ yard runs by a RB this year with only 89 carries. The next lowest of the RBs tied or ahead of him was 176 carries, twice what Cook had.

 

 For an offense looking for dynamic players outside of Josh & Diggs, I would love to see some plays with Cook & Hines in the backfield together. You instantly add a ton of speed to the offense. Give defenses something else to deal with.

 

 

 

I don’t think Dorsey can draw up those plays , the season almost over and he’s done nothing exotic. I think that’s one reason Allen has so many turnovers defense have a bead on us , 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, 97bills said:

I don’t think Dorsey can draw up those plays , the season almost over and he’s done nothing exotic. I think that’s one reason Allen has so many turnovers defense have a bead on us , 

 

 I agree. Daboll always would call some trick plays or misdirection plays when defenses got ultra aggressive. I don't believe Dorsey has called a single trick play. I always loved it when Daboll would have a WR option pass. He knew just when to call it, it always seemed to work.

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

A very good article.  My daughters and I talk before every game about needing the good Josh vs. the bad.  The article I think correctly shows how we get the good and bad Josh in each game. Certainly more good than bad most of the time, but the bad is what will lose playoff games.

 

The other thing the article suggests is that Dorsey’s play calls and designs give Josh shorter options, but sometimes he chooses not to use them.  When Daboll was around I can recall him screaming at Josh for bad decisions.  Maybe Dorsey should.

 

One last thing.  The author correctly describes how we don’t have the same overall WR depth, O line quality, or offensive imagination as other teams.  All the more reason why our record is incredibly impressive.

 

Allen lobbied hard for Dorsey.  Have to wonder if it's a situation where he wanted him for the job, but still thinks they are in the same relationship as they were last year as his QB coach who'd kind of make suggestions, give him him a pat on the back and understand him.  He doesn't really respect him as a boss.  He's not knowingly trying to disobey him, just figures things are like they were last year.

 

I relate it to situations you sometimes see in office environments where a bunch of people who worked together, all got along well as peers.  Then one of them gets promoted to boss, but the others just continue to see him as their buddy and peer.

 

Assuming the Bills don't win the SB, would McD replace him or just sit down with him and tell him, this year was your one mulligan, you were inexperienced.  I'm giving you one year to figure things out, else next year you're gone

[Wraith]

12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Allen lobbied hard for Dorsey.  Have to wonder if it's a situation where he wanted him for the job, but still thinks they are in the same relationship as they were last year as his QB coach who'd kind of make suggestions, give him him a pat on the back and understand him.  He doesn't really respect him as a boss.  He's not knowingly trying to disobey him, just figures things are like they were last year.

 

I relate it to situations you sometimes see in office environments where a bunch of people who worked together, all got along well as peers.  Then one of them gets promoted to boss, but the others just continue to see him as their buddy and peer.

 

Assuming the Bills don't win the SB, would McD replace him or just sit down with him and tell him, this year was your one mulligan, you were inexperienced.  I'm giving you one year to figure things out, else next year you're gone

I think you are massively under rating the offense under Dorsey. His job is not at risk. The offense under Dorsey this year was much much better than last year under Daboll. 

[Mark92]

I've said it for about 3 years now.  Josh Allen reminds me of Brett Favre.  Live and die by his style of play.  He will usually make a crazy play but sometimes.... 😩. Take for example the end of the half TD to Cook in the Patriots game at New England.  He totally waisted 8 seconds running around with 2 timeouts left and no shot at a field goal.  Yet he tossed across his body and found Cook for the TD.  I love the kid though and would follow him to hell and back.  

Edited January 17, 2023 by Mark92

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, Wraith said:

I think you are massively under rating the offense under Dorsey. His job is not at risk. The offense under Dorsey this year was much much better than last year under Daboll. 

 

If that's the case people on this board surely have a strange way of showing they agree with that.  Granted not that posters here are exactly experts on NFL play calling even though we think we are.

[Juice_32]

There have been stretches over the past 3 years where Josh has been really good at taking the check down. It makes me wonder if the Daboll to Dorsey switch has something to do with over aggressive Josh returning. Dorsey is a known maniac.

[ganesh]

11 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I've said it for about 3 years now.  Josh Allen reminds me of Brett Favre.  Live and die by his style of play.  He will usually make a crazy play but sometimes.... 😩. Take for example the end of the half TD to Cook in the Patriots game at New England.  He totally waisted 8 seconds running around with 2 timeouts left and no shot at a field goal.  Yet he tossed across his body and found Cook for the TD.  I love the kid though and would follow him to hell and back.  

He is OUR Quarterback !  Go Bills !

[AlfaBill]

Maybe it’s just me but I absolutely despise the sugar high Josh moniker. I find it insulting. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I read this earlier today.  Chris did a great job with the write-up. Hoping they really make balancing his decisions a focal point this week

No one is asking Josh to stop the go routes. Just be smart enough to take the shorter routes, if for no other reason than to keep the defense honest.  

Edited January 17, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Eastport bills]

I love these empty suits who come out of the woodwork to criticize Josh for being prone to mistakes after a couple of picks that were really avoidable if Smoke and Beasley made plays on the ball. The strip sack was on him and he owned it as he always does. The anti-Bills sentiment gets expressed in picking apart Josh’s penchant for throwing the ball downfield to much. Do we remember all the QBs the last 2 decades that average 7 or 8 yds an attempt. The thing that gets overlooked is that Josh puts up huge numbers and always finds a way to win. He plays down to the level of lesser teams sometimes,(Jets,Vikes,Dolphins)and rises to the challenge of good teams(LA,KC,Balt,Tenn, Detroit, NE) Pick against him at your own peril. The rest of the schedule are the best teams.

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

We are also missing him receiving a pass and stick arming through a defense player for a TD,

 

I wonder if Josh can punt.  Bills appear to be going for it on 4th and 16 and he backs up and punts it when no one on defense is expecting it and Brown runs down field and downs it in end zone.

 

Well.....apparently Burrow was seen practicing punts before the cancelled Bills game

[NORWOODS FOOT]

13 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

You want Allen to start to feel those outlets.  Teams basically give those throws to the Bills because they know Allen will likely ignore them.  There HAS to be a balance between easy first downs and keeping the threat of the long ball.

 

This exactly.

 

Besides needing to draft more offensive talent, this is where the Bills (Josh) can improve the most.

 

Checking down will keep drives alive, keep the opposing offense off the field, lead to more time of possession, AND open up more deep passes. 

 

Love Josh. Want him to take the next step in smart quarterback play. If we are going to beat elite teams consistently this is what it's going to take. He needs to be a bit more Brady and less Farve.

[clayboy54]

I laugh when fans say, "this will never work against the best teams." Christ, we are THE best team, with the very best QB. What are you even talking about?

Edited January 17, 2023 by clayboy54

[Scott7975]

Dorsey's initial comments kind of apply to this topic

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

16 hours ago, Simon said:

Thought this was an accurate and well-done article with some telling video embedded

 

The ups and downs of Josh Allen's hyper-aggressive style, and where the Bills go from here

 

 

 

Pretty much on point. We can accept that shorter plays are being given up in favor of deep shots and that is to come with the Allen territory. But, I would like to see one issue see "fixed" immediately - turnovers. Cut them down to, say, 1 per game and we will win it all. 

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

 

This exactly.

 

Besides needing to draft more offensive talent, this is where the Bills (Josh) can improve the most.

 

Checking down will keep drives alive, keep the opposing offense off the field, lead to more time of possession, AND open up more deep passes. 

 

Love Josh. Want him to take the next step in smart quarterback play. If we are going to beat elite teams consistently this is what it's going to take. He needs to be a bit more Brady and less Farve.

Always could have been more efficient, smarter, check down more. For 2 decades we couldn’t get out of our own way. Finally we are winning divisions, achieving the home field thru the playoffs, beating the best teams in the conference and our record setting QB must “take the next step in smart QB play “. Only 8 WINS in a row. This is why most QBs don’t own turnovers. It’s always “we have to play better “, not Josh. On two picks, both should have been either caught (Beasley) or knocked down (Smoke), Josh took full responsibility. That left short fields and Miami took advantage. How many “smart” QBs throw for 3 TDs and 354 yds, scoring 34. We’re playing the divisional rd at home, favored by 5 against the hottest team in football. Why would Vegas think a team with a QB that” needs to take the next step in smart QB play “ could win against the Bengals?