Is it just me or do we always let offenses convert 3rd downs on us?

[Bookie Man]

Maybe on 3rd/4th and long they might be ranked lower. Overall 3rd down D is pretty solid. 

[cgg716]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If Josh has 2 picks and 3 fumbles, one of them for 6, I will blame him for it.

 

Incredible that 2 picks and 3 fumbles are handwaved and 4/16 is handwaved.  It's fun living in an alternative reality, huh

Nobody is waving it off, we do know both INT weren’t on him, and we know how much is on his shoulders because of the D/coaching 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:

Maybe on 3rd/4th and long they might be ranked lower. Overall 3rd down D is pretty solid. 

Maybe. Haven’t been able to find this exact breakdown but perhaps someone will. It’s the NFL so those stats have to exist somewhere. Would be interesting to see. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

50 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

I swear man...I feel like this whole year 3rd and long is about as easy as it gets for opposing offenses.

 

Am I crazy for thinking we are awful on 3rd down?

I think it’s a context thing…we think our team gives up more without really knowing how other teams are doing in that regard.  
 

the bengals converted a bunch of 3rd and longs against the ravens last night 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

I swear man...I feel like this whole year 3rd and long is about as easy as it gets for opposing offenses.

 

Am I crazy for thinking we are awful on 3rd down?

The 3rd and longs are quite disturbing!! 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Nobody is waving it off, we do know both INT weren’t on him, and we know how much is on his shoulders because of the D/coaching 

How many of the 3 fumbles were "on him?"  Lmao.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

46 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

This^

 

As pointed out, the Bills are statistically pretty good on third downs. But it feels like at least once a game we give up a third and 10 or more that just feels deflating.

 

I'd be curious to know what percentage of our third downs surrendered are third and ten or more. I think as fans it's just cumulative fatigue from seeing that a lot this year.

I should not have a pit in my stomach in those situations. Having Miller would really help. Maybe start making Milano a “D-lineman” for pass rush situations given how well he’s been blitzing. I’d be interesting in that stat too. 

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

We are not good on critical down and distance. Personally, I think it has a lot to do with no Micha Hyde

He's one of the best in the league at defending the deep ball. I'd love to have him back there against the Bengals. Also, why isn't elam starting again? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The 3rd and 19 play was hilarious. Dane Jackson was so far off Hill and then when he caught it Jackson wasn’t even on the screen.

 

Talk about scared to death.

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

How many of the 3 fumbles were "on him?"  Lmao.

At least 2

[cgg716]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

How many of the 3 fumbles were "on him?"  Lmao.

2. 

[bigduke6]

i always get worried when its 3rd and long for this defense.   they give up waaaay tooooo many of them.   its usually zone that causes it.

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Ugh, was that Rex Ryan?

 

Yep. Yes it was.

[Sierra Foothills]

8 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

Also, why isn't elam starting again? 

 

He will be very soon.

 

[Boatdrinks]

12 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I should not have a pit in my stomach in those situations. Having Miller would really help. Maybe start making Milano a “D-lineman” for pass rush situations given how well he’s been blitzing. I’d be interesting in that stat too. 

I think this is what it boils down to. They’re playing very good defense overall, but doing it short handed. They lack an elite rusher that can get home when a longer pass is required. If they rush 4 ( as they love to do) the QB has too much time; when they blitz the coverage is suspect and the ball comes out faster. It’s a personnel issue and one they probably can’t solve this postseason. Just have to play sound defense and realize that the occasional 3rd and long will get converted when an offense absolutely needs to make a play. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Our defense sucks. We are way too soft. Watch the way the Ravens played the Bengals last night. They have zero fear. They set the tone. They don’t sit back on their heels and hope the QB makes a bad throw. We have the pieces. We have so much talent on defense. The lack of aggression from Fraizer is the biggest issue with this team. We need to blitz. We are not getting there with 4. Every good qb has all day to stand there and make throws uncontested. It’s been that way since this guys been here. There’s no way a QB should even have time to hit a developed route on 3rd and long. 3rd and 15, that ball should be out before they can even get to the sticks. Make the qb uncomfortable 

[JerseyBills]

I know live it seems we're giving it up alot and I was furious at the 3rd & 18 to Hill but then I look at our 3rd down offense and feel better.

 

 

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, Epstein's Mother said:

4 for 16 is the new "always".

 

[bigduke6]

the defense should be better.  Frazier is trying to cover up many problems at the moment though.   missing Hyde is huge.  Tre isnt nearly 100% yet.   appears Elam isnt good enough to play?  yet makes plays when hes in there.    i dont think Frazier trusts Elam in zone coverage.    Poyer is a soldier,  been playing banged up all year.  Dane is passable but not really elite.   its tough to do much with a back end this underwhelming right now.

 

ill admit the D isnt playing all that great right now,  people want Frazier gone,  be careful of what you wish for.   his D has been more than good enough for many seasons straight,  even with all the injuries.   13-3 with loses by less than a total of 10 points.   the Offense hasnt been great in alot of games.   D is still top 5 in most categories.   Frazier is pushing this D along with scheme and ductape,  making the best of a bad situation.

[Boatdrinks]

28 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Our defense sucks. We are way too soft. Watch the way the Ravens played the Bengals last night. They have zero fear. They set the tone. They don’t sit back on their heels and hope the QB makes a bad throw. We have the pieces. We have so much talent on defense. The lack of aggression from Fraizer is the biggest issue with this team. We need to blitz. We are not getting there with 4. Every good qb has all day to stand there and make throws uncontested. It’s been that way since this guys been here. There’s no way a QB should even have time to hit a developed route on 3rd and long. 3rd and 15, that ball should be out before they can even get to the sticks. Make the qb uncomfortable 

The Bills don’t have the corners that BAL does. When ( if ) White is close to 100% they’ll be improved. They’re not built to play the Ravens style and would probably get burned quite a bit if they tried.