Who starts opposite Rousseau?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This probably won’t be popular but for a while I have wanted us to experiment with moving Ed Oliver to DE….Id love to see how our front looks with the size and physical presence of Oliver and our bigger DTs on the field at the same time. He’s a good pass rusher for his size and has respectable quickness. Plus it would really booster our run support up from by and keep our LBs clean

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

I am.  I saw all day what we used to see the last 2-3 years, what we signed Von Miller for.  Overpursuit and flushed Thompson out of the pocket on probably half of his attempts.  We do that against KC, we won't touch Mahomes.

 

I am concerned about the pass rush vs Mahomes, yes. But that has been the case since the moment Von went down. I think they played well enough yesterday to give Cincy some problems though.

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This probably won’t be popular but for a while I have wanted us to experiment with moving Ed Oliver to DE….Id love to see how our front looks with the size and physical presence of Oliver and our bigger DTs on the field at the same time. He’s a good pass rusher for his size and has respectable quickness. Plus it would really booster our run support up from by and keep our LBs clean

 

They do line him up there from time to time. Normally with Rousseau inside. But full time he is our best DT. That is where he should play. I think there is an argument for using the Oliver outside package a little more than they have though. 

[bmur66]

40 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yes - he and Oliver limited the Dolphins' running backs to like 1.5 YPC while they were in there.

Ahh. I didn't notice him but I saw 51 in there so I thought maybe he was out for some reason. Thanks

[MphsBillsfan]

I'm a Lawson fan.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Is it me, or does Jordan Phillips's mentality and passion make a big difference on the field? Without him I see a lot less fun and swag from our D-line. I hope his shoulder heals up so he can make us better because I see his presence as a big positive.

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well he couldn't line up properly against the Bears so I imagine that is part of it. He got flagged once and got away with two more to my eye. AJE is inconsistent down to down, but I think at the moment he is superior to Jonathan (who has some tools but it super raw). Boogie actually played a nice game yesterday. I am not at all as down as some are on the pass rush. 

Boogie did have some jump yesterday.  Pass rush overall was decent.  Not dominant but serviceable.  We need to make Burrow uncomfortable.  When he can't step up he is very average.

 

Bengals looked very normal last nite, and but for the fumble by Hartley near the goal line had a good chance of losing to a pretty mediocre Ravens team.  If the Bills offense is in gear, which I see no reason why they would not be, we have a real strong chance to win..  The Bengals receivers were nothing special last nite. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Boogie did have some jump yesterday.  Pass rush overall was decent.  Not dominant but serviceable.  We need to make Burrow uncomfortable.  When he can't step up he is very average.

 

Bengals looked very normal last nite, and but for the fumble by Hartley near the goal line had a good chance of losing to a pretty mediocre Ravens team.  If the Bills offense is in gear, which I see no reason why they would not be, we have a real strong chance to win..  The Bengals receivers were nothing special last nite. 

Given how limited Boogie's snaps are, especially for his rookie season (understandable, given we had 11 D-linesmen on the roster), I think he is a much better player than many give him credit. 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Rocky Landing

[The Jokeman]

Boogie impressed me yesterday, I haven't seen him rush that well in awhile. That said Lawson might be a more complete player especially against the run. I saw start Shaq and have Boogie spell him on 1st or 2nd downs to keep him fresh and throw in Espensa on 3rd downs. 

[Billz4ever]

12 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I know AJE started out well, but frankly, Shaq is playing way better. Granted, Lawson isn't special, but he does make plays once in a while. AJE has been invisible lately. Has Shaq been starting? I haven't noticed their snap counts either. Sorry if this is old news, but I'm overseas and sometimes the internet isn't available

Also, if you're abroad, NFL-Video.com gives you full game broadcasts for FREE after the games end.

 

Gotta be Shaq.  Go back and watch AJE in the NE game.  Ran himself out of the play repeatedly.  I was sitting there like...Dude, when are you going to realize that just flying up field and getting pushed out of the play entirely by the tackle just isn't working?

[bigduke6]

Shaq is a much better run defender than pass rusher.    which is fine.  ideally you'd want a guy that can do it all but it is what it is a this point.   i actually had to really watch to see if Groot was playing yesterday.  he was very quiet.   he can not be quiet.   has to be better.

[Thrivefourfive]

Blitz. You have to bring a guy off that corner. DB, and interchange Edmunds and Milano at times for a different look, so you can run Edmunds off that edge as well. With pressure from that side, forcing QB towards gigantically long Rousseau is a good situation. 
 

But will they do that — No. Least creative pre-snap defense around. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Thrivefourfive

[JerseyBills]

I barely noticed Groot. I saw Boogie at LE more than him but idk. 

Shaq is great against the run. Maybe a Boogie/Groot combo

 

I just want Frazier to mix it up. Bengals can be very explosive.  I'd feel 100x better with the 100 million dollar man Von Miller 

[Eastport bills]

13 hours ago, GreggTX said:

I know AJE started out well, but frankly, Shaq is playing way better. Granted, Lawson isn't special, but he does make plays once in a while. AJE has been invisible lately. Has Shaq been starting? I haven't noticed their snap counts either. Sorry if this is old news, but I'm overseas and sometimes the internet isn't available

Also, if you're abroad, NFL-Video.com gives you full game broadcasts for FREE after the games end.

 

Shaq every day of the week. He’s making plays in the run game and he’s always around the QB.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, Limeaid said:

The DE (Trent Murphy) who stopped Jackson from being effective in game defense crafted by Frasier is no longer with Bills or even playing anymore but other teams have copied his game plan.

 

Shaq and AJE are a good rotation pair since they have different skillsets.

Neither Shaq, AJE or Boogie have dynamic pass rush moves. Von alot of times would push pressure into these 3 guys. I just don't see Rousseau having that ability.  Our front 4 pass rush terrifies me. Half our sacks yesterday were on Milano blitzes. Blitzing Edmunds is a complete waste.  Our trenches are suspect.  If I has to pick one it would be Lawson.

Edited January 16, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Augie]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am concerned about the pass rush vs Mahomes, yes. But that has been the case since the moment Von went down. I think they played well enough yesterday to give Cincy some problems though.

 

 

I’ll be very curious to see how the Bengals injuries on the OLine affect the next game. I’m not feeling sorry or making excuses for anyone at this time of year, but this could be a real factor to watch when the injury reports come out. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/bengals-fighting-through-offensive-line-injuries-heading-into-divisional-round-m

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

Given how limited Boogie's snaps are, especially for his rookie season (understandable, given we had 11 D-linesmen on the roster), I think he is a much better player than many give him credit. 

 

 

Lets hope he keeps improving.  Some guys take a little longer to develop into top flite NFL players.  Bruce Smith was not dominant his first few years I don't believe.  And neither was Eric Moulds.  And they both had stellar careers.  Lets go Boogie.

[papazoid]

6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This probably won’t be popular but for a while I have wanted us to experiment with moving Ed Oliver to DE….Id love to see how our front looks with the size and physical presence of Oliver and our bigger DTs on the field at the same time. He’s a good pass rusher for his size and has respectable quickness. Plus it would really booster our run support up from by and keep our LBs clean

 

boom......but not happening this season

 

boogie basham should be starting opposite rousseau 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Gotta be Shaq.  Go back and watch AJE in the NE game.  Ran himself out of the play repeatedly.  I was sitting there like...Dude, when are you going to realize that just flying up field and getting pushed out of the play entirely by the tackle just isn't working?

I mean AJE would be deadly if every qb had a 10 step drop.

[Maine-iac]

Any game AJE has had 43 percent of the snaps or more he's had a sack.  He usually plays the side Lawson plays and Lawson typically gets 50 percent or more of the snaps so they must be looking for the run defense from that position and consider Lawson the better at it.  AJE is definitely the second best pass rusher we have at the DE position (not counting Miller because he'd hurt).

Edited January 16, 2023 by Maine-iac

[RocCityRoller]

10 hours ago, CSBill said:

Now that I think of it, did AJ play yesterday?

 

Football Outsiders has the following snap counts for yesterday:

Rousseau: 45

Basham: 37

Lawson: 37

Epenessa: 33