Josh Allen Bashers, what's your solution?

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I’ve defended for him and I’ve said some things about him in frustration. But I’m glad he’s our QB and I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. The guy was born to play here

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’ve played Miami’s cover zero many times. We’ve never attacked it like that. Yes the deep shot will be there but we aren’t built for those 1v1 go balls. 

 

Again Allen was pretty much on target but we’ve faced that defense many times. If the plan was chuck it deep vs cover zero then it was a terrible plan. 
 

We will see better what was going on watching it back but I shook my head every time he launched it. In cover zero everyone is 1v1 so saying progressions is incorrect. That’s a pre-snap decision. So the question I have is was that a game plan decision (Dorsey) or was it Allen. I think it was Allen.

That terrible plan produced 34 points - really should have been 41 if Knox doesn’t drop a TD. You think Allen played 4 quarters going away from the game plan ? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

Honestly I would love to see Allen’s stats in prime time or playoffs vs his stats when not.

 

Now I understand this was a playoff game but it felt more like a preseason game where most just wanted to get out of it with no injuries.

 

Allen plays different in bigger moments.

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

That terrible plan produced 34 points - really should have been 41 if Knox doesn’t drop a TD. You think Allen played 4 quarters going away from the game plan ? 

Like I said, Allen was on target. 

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

I am going to lose so much sleep at night, knowing that you think that our qb is not acceptable

Edited January 16, 2023 by John from Riverside

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Punch said:

The only way to fix this is to sign Josh Rosen, he should’ve been the pick in 2018. Right this wrong, Beane!

 

I think Beane does not do the signing of the janitorial staff but I might be wrong.

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I am going to lose so much sleep at night, knowing that you think that our qb is not acceptable

 

You would lose less if you put him on ignore.  Too bad putting people on ignore did not include quotes or I would sleep better.

[GunnerBill]

My solution is we HAVE to stop turning the ball over. 

 

The OC needs to help him, but Josh needs to make better decisions. He said it himself after the game. He can't keep putting the team in bad positions. 

 

Last night was the full Josh Allen Experience. Incredible plays and mistakes. That is enough to get past a poor Miami team. But if you give Joe Burrow 7 points and another 4 short fields (2 on offense, 2 on STs) you will lose.  

Edited January 16, 2023 by GunnerBill

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I think Beane does not do the signing of the janitorial staff but I might be wrong.

 

You would lose less if you put him on ignore.  Too bad putting people on ignore did not include quotes or I would sleep better.

Good point I’m going to take your advice

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

Picks weren’t on him.  

 

Fumble was.. gotta eat that. 
 

Me personally, just check it down once in a while.  Even if it’s just a designed check down to keep the chains moving and keep the opposing defense honest.
 

You want to launch another laser after we get 7-8 yards on a 2nd and 5 when we need a small semblance of momentum/possession.. have at it.   

The fumble at the beginning of 2nd half was not his fault.  He had no shot to even protect the ball;  the dolphins DL was already on him.

[UKBillFan]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

My solution is we HAVE to stop turning the ball over. 

 

The OC needs to help him, but Josh needs to make better decisions. He said it himself after the game. He can't keep putting the team in bad positions. 

 

Last night was the full Josh Allen Experience. Incredible plays and bonehead mistakes. That is enough to get past a poor Miami team. But if you give Joe Burrow 7 points and another 4 short fields (2 on offense, 2 on STs) you will lose.  

 

If I'm harsh I'd respond that he says it a lot but things don't change. However, in terms of potential turnovers, I'd only put the two fumbles on him today, and we kept the ball on the first. I don't think he can be held responsible for the interceptions, particularly the second.

 

I am stomaching watching the game back and in the second and fourth quarters in particular I want to see what, if anything, was available underneath, as some posters are saying they blocked that route. At the time I didn't think that, but I'll feel slightly happier about the consistent deep ball attempts if that was the case.

Edited January 16, 2023 by UKBillFan

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, ganesh said:

The fumble at the beginning of 2nd half was not his fault.  He had no shot to even protect the ball;  the dolphins DL was already on him.

 

He HAS to diagnose that blitz and either adjust the protection or if he is still having Singletary run a hot then its  ball out immediately. If neither of those are options he just needs to go down straight away, curl up and protect the football. The blitzer is not on the oline, it is either on the back in pass protection or the QB and given Josh still sent Singletary on a hot it is then his responsibility. 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

If I'm harsh I'd respond that he says it a lot but things don't change. However, in terms of potential turnovers, I'd only put the two fumbles on him today, and we kept the ball on the first. I don't think he can be held responsible for the interceptions, particularly the second.

 

I am stomaching watching the game back and in the second and fourth quarters in particular I want to see what, if anything, was available underneath, as some posters are saying they blocked that route. At the time I didn't think that, but I'll feel slightly happier about the consistent deep ball attempts if that was the case.

 

The second INT is not on Josh, that is on Beasley. The first one.... I don't think it is a great read and he just kinda throws it up. It is the sort of play to be fair that I don't mind Josh making because he will get some big plays on those over the course of time. But I think in the context of the game it was the wrong decision. It was a layered route where the Bills have three guys running different depths to the same side of the field. It is first down. He can go to Morris for a short gain of an easy 4 or 5 yards, he can get the ball over the linebacker for Knox on the out breaker in the intermediate zone (which I think was the primary read) or he can try the deep shot 1v1. I think between Dorsey and Allen they took that third option too much yesterday and it made the offense very boom or bust and mistake prone. In the scenario, up 17-3 against a QB struggling to move the ball the Bills should have just kept taking the easy stuff rather than trying to force the ball downfield. 

 

EDIT: should also say none of the above exonerates John Brown who Romo was right, didn't run the route properly. But it is partly on Josh because I think it is the wrong read. It was getting greedy when they didn't need to. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by GunnerBill

[BobbyC81]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Watched Favre have a few games like that for 20 years.  
 

Only one I put on him today is the fumble.  That was horrendous.  But those things happen when you believe like Favre did that you can do literally whatever you want on the field.   


He was overall outstanding today against a very hungry and angry defense that he keeps lighting up.  
 

Fun fact - THREE of our 5 WRs today - one is a rookie that hardly plays and the other 2 just rejoined the team a month ago.   

 

Josh Allen continues to do more and asked to do more with less then any QB.  
 

Really sick of hearing about Burrow in the conversation as an MVP when you have 2 of the 15 best WRs in the league - and Joe Mixon.  When one of Chase or Higgins has been out Burrow isn't the same.  Gabe Davis isn’t Tee Higgins - yet (told y’all the breakout might be a year too soon he was so raw as a rookie).     
 

And really sick of hearing any of our fans even sweat it at this point honestly.  Let them argue their tiers and power rankings.  Nit pick over INTs.  All Allen has done is win since the last 6 games of his rookie season.  
 

And I love that he takes accountability for the mistakes - he doesn’t make any excuses or quantifies them like I just did.  He owns them. Then he credits everyone else.  

Yeah, he owns the mistakes and says he needs to do better, then does the same things the next game.  Like you said, he’s like Favre and we just have to accept it.  If the Bills can make the playoffs most seasons and win a Super Bowl like Favre did for GB, we should all be happy.

[Protocal69]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

Terrific. But that’s not good enough. Allen is a panicked, erratic, inaccurate, turnover machine. His decision making is inexplicable. His ball security is non-existent. It may be injuries, it may be distrust in the play calling/OL, or it may be who he is. But no more whitewashing and no more pretending he’s better than he is.

So whats your plan genius. You want to trade or get rid of a top 5 QB for who. Sorry Josh performance couldnt make you feel better about yourself. I dont know why some of you even bother to watch the games

[oldmanfan]

We all love Josh.  But he made mistakes yesterday that almost cost the game.  And to be truthful they are mistakes he’s been making for a while now.  The fumble they ran in for the TD was egregious; he simply has to take the sack there.  Continually throwing long when we were up 10, and giving them the ball back vs. running shorter routes and taking time off the clock is another.  He fell into hero ball mode too much.

 

We don’t know if these were Dorsey’s calls or not, but Josh has been around long enough now to know better on these type of things.  I think it’s reasonable to wonder how much the emotions of all that’s gone on this year weigh on him.  Again, we all love the guy.  I am confident we will win a Lombardi with him at the helm.  But unfortunately I am equally confident we have no chance of doing so if he plays like he did yesterday.  And I would be delighted to be wrong.

[nucci]

5 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

We're not allowed to criticize players or the coaches after a win even though they made a lot of mistakes ?

[ChicagoRic]

20 minutes ago, nucci said:

We're not allowed to criticize players or the coaches after a win even though they made a lot of mistakes ?

Sure you can.  I'm just pointing out how silly some people look when they criticize the best player on the team to the point where it makes him sound completely inept.  Some even double down on their arguments in a thread like this one.....which I guess illustrates my point so..... Yay Me?  Lol. 

[nucci]

19 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

Sure you can.  I'm just pointing out how silly some people look when they criticize the best player on the team to the point where it makes him sound completely inept.  Some even double down on their arguments in a thread like this one.....which I guess illustrates my point so..... Yay Me?  Lol. 

ok that's fair. Some are over the top. Just remember back in the Superbowl years many wanted Kelly benched for Frank

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

Yeah, he owns the mistakes and says he needs to do better, then does the same things the next game.  Like you said, he’s like Favre and we just have to accept it.  If the Bills can make the playoffs most seasons and win a Super Bowl like Favre did for GB, we should all be happy.

He owns mistakes that aren’t really on him a lot of the times. Some of those were not on him yesterday, but that’s who he is. The unit makes a fair amount of mistakes, they have a lot of issues and without Josh they’d be a lot less productive. Kid is a freak. 

[cwater10]

4 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Chiefs and Spagnuolo also play a blitz heavy defense. I’m sure they’ll be looking at Dolphins tape if that’s the matchup in 2 weeks.

If they are looking to give up 30 - 50 points, then great.  Study that tape!

[Baba Booey]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

We're not allowed to criticize players or the coaches after a win even though they made a lot of mistakes ?

That’s half this board!!! How dare you say anything that criticizes this team! You must be a zombie and follow what the majority says. All is well. All is well.