We're on to Cincinnati(Bengals coming to OP). Sunday 1/22 at 3pm. Opening Line Bills -5

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Why can't the Bills just embrace who Josh is instead of always trying to manage him. 

 

McDermott again talking about fine lines. 

 

How about get another #1 WR? 

 

Improving the OLine?

 

So he has more space to operate, and more athletic players to go to. 

 

The Bills drafted Gabe Davis - a go-route specialist - and they complain when Josh takes deep shots. 

 

 

I'm aggravated with this coaching staff and media, always wondering how to limit and control Allen. Have the tough conversations with him, coach him, continuously improve his S&C. 

 

But get another Diggs. You're reading Hopkins is available. That's the right idea, whether it's him or not. 

 

It's an arms race and its corner, DE, DE, LB, DE, DT every year high in the draft. 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

So, i think i am somewhere in the middle where folks are on this board. I think the Bills can win this game, but we have all seen they try to hard to not win games in the last few weeks. Some points IMHO:

 

- Even with Cin offensive line hurt, wont matter. Dolphins were worse and the only way we got to him was to blitz.

- Josh is not the same Josh that started the season. Hurt? Head crap? Definitely not the same.

- Dorsey still does not impress me. (Yes i know, points and the rest yea yea) He moves away from things that work and forces stupid forced plays to work. (Not saying he is horrible)

- Our defensive backfield gets slashed pretty easy with the worst QB's.... Burrow is not one of them and they have incredible receivers! 

- Have you ever seen a team that sucks so bad on screens?? They are an embarrassment at it.

 

I know i am being Debby downer, but Bill's play of late does not give me warm and fuzzys. Either way hoping for a win, but wont be surprised if they lose. Take Bengals and the points!

 

The Bengals put up 234 yards of total offense against Baltimore and had 1 first down after they scored to take a 17-10 lead early in that half.  For all the "greatness" of Cincinnati on offense they sure don't play it like a lot of times.

 

Their next 3 drives were:

 

3 plays 8 yards

6 plays 13 yards

3 plays -1 yard

Edited January 18, 2023 by Big Turk

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

1 minute ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

So, i think i am somewhere in the middle where folks are on this board. I think the Bills can win this game, but we have all seen they try to hard to not win games in the last few weeks. Some points IMHO:

 

- Even with Cin offensive line hurt, wont matter. Dolphins were worse and the only way we got to him was to blitz.

- Josh is not the same Josh that started the season. Hurt? Head crap? Definitely not the same.

- Dorsey still does not impress me. (Yes i know, points and the rest yea yea) He moves away from things that work and forces stupid forced plays to work. (Not saying he is horrible)

- Our defensive backfield gets slashed pretty easy with the worst QB's.... Burrow is not one of them and they have incredible receivers! 

- Have you ever seen a team that sucks so bad on screens?? They are an embarrassment at it.

 

I know i am being Debby downer, but Bill's play of late does not give me warm and fuzzys. Either way hoping for a win, but wont be surprised if they lose. Take Bengals and the points!

These are all valid points. I took the bengals -5 based upon this also. I don’t view the bengals banged up o line as a huge advantage for us without Von. Both the stats and my eyes tell me we can’t get after the qb with much consistency anymore so adding that to the fact that burrow has time to hit his trio of great receivers against our overmatched DBs, and it’s a recipe for a long night. 
 

I’m way more confident in the 49ers -4 though. That line is an absolute joke and just free money. Niners are going to roll. 

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

The Bengals put up 234 yards of total offense against Baltimore and had 2 first downs the entire second half and scored 0 points on offense in that half.  For all the "greatness" of Cincinnati on offense they sure don't play it like a lot of times.

I did see that , but Balt defense was getting pressure. Can we do that?

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

So, i think i am somewhere in the middle where folks are on this board. I think the Bills can win this game, but we have all seen they try to hard to not win games in the last few weeks. Some points IMHO:

 

- Even with Cin offensive line hurt, wont matter. Dolphins were worse and the only way we got to him was to blitz.

- Josh is not the same Josh that started the season. Hurt? Head crap? Definitely not the same.

- Dorsey still does not impress me. (Yes i know, points and the rest yea yea) He moves away from things that work and forces stupid forced plays to work. (Not saying he is horrible)

- Our defensive backfield gets slashed pretty easy with the worst QB's.... Burrow is not one of them and they have incredible receivers! 

- Have you ever seen a team that sucks so bad on screens?? They are an embarrassment at it.

 

I know i am being Debby downer, but Bill's play of late does not give me warm and fuzzys. Either way hoping for a win, but wont be surprised if they lose. Take Bengals and the points!

 

-We'll see.  Bengals have played us for about five seconds.  Miami sees us all the time.  Agreed though.. Bills DL needs to be better against another decimated OL.

 

-If he's still hurt, he has a funny way of showing it by putting on a laser show nonstop against Miami on Sunday.

 

-Ok.. We've lost 3 games.  Dorsey is fine.  Does he deserve criticism, sometimes.. but he's not losing us games.

 

-Tre has gotten better week to week and finally looks confident again.  Kaiir Elam is an X-Factor due to Jackson's injury finally forcing our most talented CB onto the field to show what he can do.

 

-Screen passes.. really?  I literally could not care less about the fact we don't run screens well. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

9 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

So, i think i am somewhere in the middle where folks are on this board. I think the Bills can win this game, but we have all seen they try to hard to not win games in the last few weeks. Some points IMHO:

 

- Even with Cin offensive line hurt, wont matter. Dolphins were worse and the only way we got to him was to blitz.

- Josh is not the same Josh that started the season. Hurt? Head crap? Definitely not the same.

- Dorsey still does not impress me. (Yes i know, points and the rest yea yea) He moves away from things that work and forces stupid forced plays to work. (Not saying he is horrible)

- Our defensive backfield gets slashed pretty easy with the worst QB's.... Burrow is not one of them and they have incredible receivers! 

- Have you ever seen a team that sucks so bad on screens?? They are an embarrassment at it.

 

I know i am being Debby downer, but Bill's play of late does not give me warm and fuzzys. Either way hoping for a win, but wont be surprised if they lose. Take Bengals and the points!

If you really believe this I can't help you, but Jeez man!

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Why can't the Bills just embrace who Josh is instead of always trying to manage him. 

 

McDermott again talking about fine lines. 

 

How about get another #1 WR? 

 

Improving the OLine?

 

So he has more space to operate, and more athletic players to go to. 

 

The Bills drafted Gabe Davis - a go-route specialist - and they complain when Josh takes deep shots. 

 

 

I'm aggravated with this coaching staff and media, always wondering how to limit and control Allen. Have the tough conversations with him, coach him, continuously improve his S&C. 

 

But get another Diggs. You're reading Hopkins is available. That's the right idea, whether it's him or not. 

 

It's an arms race and its corner, DE, DE, LB, DE, DT every year high in the draft. 

 

 

 

I think Hopkins is too expensive with Josh's cap hit becoming a significant factor, but the overall sentiment is spot on.

[Beck Water]

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Mahomes gets freebies every game due to scheming from Reid which Allen rarely gets.

 

That's the "party line", but I'm not sure it's correct.  Part of that is because of Allen's known tendencies, teams know they can choke down on the guys who are past the sticks and pay a cursory nod to the shallow guys.

 

For example, on the play where Josh threw to Beasley who was closely covered by 1 defender and had 2 others in the vicinity - on the opposite side of the field, Dawson Knox ran a route that effectively picked the defender off Diggs and left him totally open for a while before the defender who had him closed the gap.  Romo even commented during the broadcast that Allen has Diggs wide open on the opposite side of the field.

 

On the deep INT to Brown, I believe he was the only receiver on the field as the Bills put a heavy set on the field against what Miami showed as a cover 0 blitz.  But then when they dropped, the Bills two TE and Gilliam broke out into routes.  There were crossers at two levels by Morris and Knox, who was drawing the attention and leaving Morris wide open with a passing lane to him, as well as  Gilliam running up the sideline and carrying 2 defenders with him. 

 

People here are "oh, Dorsey should give Allen checkdowns" "Dorsey should scheme guys open", usually when Allen throws a pick, there is an alternative open, Allen just doesn't choose to take it.

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You're way too hopeless.

LOL No, as in way to Hopeless that i watch and root for Bills and Sabres in every game but cannot stop myself from coming back..... Hopeless

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

So, i think i am somewhere in the middle where folks are on this board. I think the Bills can win this game, but we have all seen they try to hard to not win games in the last few weeks. Some points IMHO:

 

- Even with Cin offensive line hurt, wont matter. Dolphins were worse and the only way we got to him was to blitz.

- Josh is not the same Josh that started the season. Hurt? Head crap? Definitely not the same.

- Dorsey still does not impress me. (Yes i know, points and the rest yea yea) He moves away from things that work and forces stupid forced plays to work. (Not saying he is horrible)

- Our defensive backfield gets slashed pretty easy with the worst QB's.... Burrow is not one of them and they have incredible receivers! 

- Have you ever seen a team that sucks so bad on screens?? They are an embarrassment at it.

 

I know i am being Debby downer, but Bill's play of late does not give me warm and fuzzys. Either way hoping for a win, but wont be surprised if they lose. Take Bengals and the points!

So hedging your bets here? 

 

If the Bills win, well Dorsey isn't horrible. Bills lose, see told you. 

 

Josh is not the same Josh, can you explain this? Or is this just based on some interceptions from Green Bay and the Jets and last week being aggressive in Miami. 

 

He isn't the most even in terms of his production. I'll agree with that. It's not a robotic 300 yards like Herbert. Allen can be 350 or 150 some weeks. He is more Favre-like. 

 

Are you thinking the Bengals have just been held down 2-weeks in a row by a divisional opponent? 

 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

These are all valid points. I took the bengals -5 based upon this also. I don’t view the bengals banged up o line as a huge advantage for us without Von. Both the stats and my eyes tell me we can’t get after the qb with much consistency anymore so adding that to the fact that burrow has time to hit his trio of great receivers against our overmatched DBs, and it’s a recipe for a long night. 
 

I’m way more confident in the 49ers -4 though. That line is an absolute joke and just free money. Niners are going to roll. 

You and NUT and Airseven, etc. all chime in with the negative juju and most if not all of you are from clan troll.

 

[CaliBills]

Going to sound crazy, but i think you put Greg R. in the middle more and have his height and length create problems for throwing lanes.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

-Screen passes.. really?  I literally could not care less about the fact we don't run screens well. 

 

Being able to run a screen well would be a very helpful alternative against the cover0 blitz

It would also open a lot of things up for us.

 

I'm not sure why the Bills are so inept at them - on an early thread it was suggested that one reason they don't work well is because of how defenses play the run threat Josh presents.

[Drew21PA]

22 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Josh Allen essentially had the same exact year this year as 2021 on 1-fewer game. 

 

This guy is a moron and that's why I don't listen to anyone on FoxSports anymore.

yeah they are pushing a weird narrative over there on Fox?

[Low Positive]

I think some people here have watched every second of every Bills game, but have only watched highlights of the Bengals. People are talking about the Bengals like they are the 2007 Pats.

[SCBills]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Being able to run a screen well would be a very helpful alternative against the cover0 blitz

It would also open a lot of things up for us.

 

I'm not sure why the Bills are so inept at them - on an early thread it was suggested that one reason they don't work well is because of how defenses play the run threat Josh presents.

 

It's a valid criticism.  We are hilariously bad at screens.  I just do not care.. it's one of the more random things to worry about. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's the "party line", but I'm not sure it's correct.  Part of that is because of Allen's known tendencies, teams know they can choke down on the guys who are past the sticks and pay a cursory nod to the shallow guys.

 

For example, on the play where Josh threw to Beasley who was closely covered by 1 defender and had 2 others in the vicinity - on the opposite side of the field, Dawson Knox ran a route that effectively picked the defender off Diggs and left him totally open for a while before the defender who had him closed the gap.  Romo even commented during the broadcast that Allen has Diggs wide open on the opposite side of the field.

 

On the deep INT to Brown, I believe he was the only receiver on the field as the Bills put a heavy set on the field against what Miami showed as a cover 0 blitz.  But then when they dropped, the Bills two TE and Gilliam broke out into routes.  There were crossers at two levels by Morris and Knox, who was drawing the attention and leaving Morris wide open with a passing lane to him, as well as  Gilliam running up the sideline and carrying 2 defenders with him. 

 

People here are "oh, Dorsey should give Allen checkdowns" "Dorsey should scheme guys open", usually when Allen throws a pick, there is an alternative open, Allen just doesn't choose to take it.

YES. 

 

This was WGRs rallying cry for weeks, until Kurt Warner showed that there are plenty of checkdowns available in this offense. 

 

Kurt Warner also explained that Dorsey isn't in left field with some of these play designs. He runs things common to an NFL offense like mesh, or high-low combinations. 

 

Now we're back to we don't checkdown enough. 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:

These are all valid points. I took the bengals -5 based upon this also. I don’t view the bengals banged up o line as a huge advantage for us without Von. Both the stats and my eyes tell me we can’t get after the qb with much consistency anymore so adding that to the fact that burrow has time to hit his trio of great receivers against our overmatched DBs, and it’s a recipe for a long night. 
 

I’m way more confident in the 49ers -4 though. That line is an absolute joke and just free money. Niners are going to roll. 

 

Except the Bengals rarely do that all night. At some point in the game their offense goes dormant for long stretches.  Inexplicably but it almost always happens and has back to last season.

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The Bengals put up 234 yards of total offense against Baltimore and had 2 first downs the entire second half and scored 0 points on offense in that half.  For all the "greatness" of Cincinnati on offense they sure don't play it like a lot of times.

I can’t stress enough how different Baltimores defense is from ours and how much better suited to defend Cincinnati they are. It’s not the same. They can rush burrow with 4. They have Marcus Peter’s and Marlon Humphrey to cover Chase and Higgins and Hamilton in thr slot too for coverage. Not to mention Roquan smith in the middle. Remember this when chase is getting open constantly and Higgins is finding soft spots in Fraziers zones. 
 

I do think we will give the bengals D some problems but fundamentally this is a bad matchup. 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You and NUT and Airseven, etc. all chime in with the negative juju and most if not all of you are from clan troll.

 

I have a healthy "ignore" file now.  Neat, sweet, can't be beat.  Preserves me from the temptation to respond to a troll  (or a poster who is not a troll but psychologically unable to acknowledge a valid counterpoint). 

 

Greatly improves the board experience, 4 of 4 stars, highly recommend.