We're on to Cincinnati(Bengals coming to OP). Sunday 1/22 at 3pm. Opening Line Bills -5

[Boatdrinks]

47 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

Looks like there is a possibility of light snow.  Maybe 1/2 inch during the game.  

Yep looks like 32 degrees , 10mph winds , possibly light snow at some point. 

1 minute ago, fergie's ire said:

Yeah, people keep saying it hit his chest, but the DBs hand was actually in front of his chest.  Though not ENTIRELY on Josh.  Beasley could have helped out by coming back to Josh.

Sometimes the other team actually makes a play. It happens .. the bounce was bad luck. 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Now is the time for the Allen designed runs.  Would not mind seeing 5-7 of them, and also, hopefully Josh can find a way to pick up yards running on a scramble.  The Dolphins did a good job of shutting him down in this regard. 

 

They did, the Dolphins were very effective in getting pressure with their edge rushers causing Allen to step into the pocket and when he tried to take off the tackles did a great job collapsing the running lane for Josh.   That's a blue print to limit Josh's running ability, but in order to do that the  edge rushers have to be able to force Josh to step up in the pocket.

[jletha]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

They did, the Dolphins were very effective in getting pressure with their edge rushers causing Allen to step into the pocket and when he tried to take off the tackles did a great job collapsing the running lane for Josh.   That's a blue print to limit Josh's running ability, but in order to do that the  edge rushers have to be able to force Josh to step up in the pocket.

on designed runs Josh is still lethal but Miami did hold his scrambles well.

 

I can only remember 1 designed run from the Mia game that went for ~10 yards. I think we will see more against Cincy.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

21 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

What did you think about that PI called on Tre?

I knew it was going to happen as soon as he motioned out there late.

 

Burrow saw one on one and all week the Bengals insiders said Burrow sees one on one, he doesn’t hesitate, he immediately throws deep. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, jletha said:

He absolutely could have and should have come back to the ball. It was a tight throw for sure, but I didnt see any clearly better options on the throw. But he should have worked back to Josh.

 

OK, first of all, if anyone wants to look at the Beasley INT, it's one of the highlights on NFL.com

https://www.nfl.com/games/dolphins-at-bills-2022-post-1

If that doesn't take you there, click on "highlights" and scroll to "Jevon Holland secures Dolphins' second INT of first half via Kohou's deflection"

 

A few comments:

1) Beasley was 100% hindered from coming back to the ball before it got there.  Kohou had his arm wrapped around Beasley's waist from the R if you pause before the ball gets there.  But Beasley needs to try harder to come back, in order to "sell it".  On the other hand, we've had critique of other receivers for failing to make a catch while their arms are being held like that.  Beasley was supposed to be the "magic guy" who could haul those in infalliably.

2) As all too often, Something is Wrong with the route tree.  Look how close Brown is to Beasley in that play.  Either the play design sucks, or someone isn't running the correct route option

 

3) Brown seems to be operating with his head in an upright locked position as far as reacting to the play?  Seems to me with the ball in the air going to Bease, he should be getting in a defender's way or something, I think that's allowed?

 

-------->4) Regarding that Bolded point, Diggs says "Hello!".  Knox (I think) just ran past him carrying Diggs defender with him.  It's 2nd and 10, Diggs gets 4-6 yds for sure if Josh fires it in there RIGHT THEN, and quite possibly more since he'll fight for it if he can't evade.  (Later in the play the defender catches up).. Yes, Diggs actually is as wide-open as he looks, and there is only one defender near him instead of 3.

 

 

This is, IMO, Yet Another Example of Josh trying by every means to throw for the first down, instead of taking the sure reception and trusting his guys to get some YAC.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Beck Water

[Low Positive]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I knew it was going to happen as soon as he motioned out there late.

 

Burrow saw one on one and all week the Bengals insiders said Burrow sees one on one, he doesn’t hesitate, he immediately throws deep. 

Just like Josh in that way. 

[PaattMaann]

1 minute ago, jletha said:

on designed runs Josh is still lethal but Miami did hold his scrambles well.

 

I can only remember 1 designed run from the Mia game that went for ~10 yards. I think we will see more against Cincy.

 

the fake design Allen run that got handed to cook for the TD was a thing of absolute beauty 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

They did, the Dolphins were very effective in getting pressure with their edge rushers causing Allen to step into the pocket and when he tried to take off the tackles did a great job collapsing the running lane for Josh.   That's a blue print to limit Josh's running ability, but in order to do that the  edge rushers have to be able to force Josh to step up in the pocket.

 

Those were on the Daboll everyone go long, Josh's legs are his Checkdown plays against man coverage. Fins DTs played it masterfully and showed Allen room then collapsed on him as he tried to take it. Brilliant cat and mouse games by the DC there. 

[Success]

Just a gut feeling on my part - but I think the Bills we saw earlier this season are going to re-emerge this coming week.  I actually don't expect a close game.  Cincy's O-line issues will be the difference.

 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

I wonder if Cinci is going to stick with the 2 high shell after watching the sometimes success plays the Dolphins had with Cover-0 and Cover-1 blitzes? 

 

I think they will. Much like the Bills they're a base nickel D. Even against our jumbo package with Bobby Hart. 

 

I'd love to see us commit to a balanced rushing attack against their light box. The more we stick to the run, the better play action will work. 

 

On D, we need to effect Burrow. With their depleted Online can we get consistent pressure with 4? Would love mix in Milano / Edmunds blitzes, Taron off the edge. Lots of simulated pressure. 

 

But I hate it when we blitz and half of our players drop into soft zones with eyes on the QB and never look at the recievers. I'd like to see more zone matching coverage than 3 guys covering empty blades of grass with no receivers within 20 yards of them...

 

And I really hope we see a lot of Elam matched up against either Chase or Higgins. Let Elam cover! 

 

 

 

The Dolphins had a few moments with Cover 0 and 1 but overall Josh abused them.   If it wasn't for the drops, he would have had 400 yards and 4 - 5 TD's.  

 

Also, the Dolphins have better corners than the Cincinnati, I don't expect them to do that as well.  I suspect they'll rush 3-4 and 5 throughout most of the game and play the 2 high shell as you noted.

 

Josh should run the ball a good bit, 7 - 10 called runs.   Also, the fact that Josh was so effective pushing the ball down the field I think sets up the Bills really well on how teams will defend him, I do think they will attempt to guard the deeper stuff and I do believe that Josh will be passing the ball with more of the intermediate stuff.

 

In regards to getting pressure against Cincinnati, I don't see us rushing 4 and getting lots of pressure, I do think we will continue the recent trend of higher blitzes.

 

[YoloinOhio]

My neighbor across the street put up a giant Bengals flag. But it’s flying upside down. 🤣

 

a sign?

Edited January 17, 2023 by YoloinOhio

[Boatdrinks]

9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I knew it was going to happen as soon as he motioned out there late.

 

Burrow saw one on one and all week the Bengals insiders said Burrow sees one on one, he doesn’t hesitate, he immediately throws deep. 

But that’s Burrow and he’s like , great and stuff and Josh isn’t. 

[BearNorth]

Just now, Magox said:

 

They did, the Dolphins were very effective in getting pressure with their edge rushers causing Allen to step into the pocket and when he tried to take off the tackles did a great job collapsing the running lane for Josh.   That's a blue print to limit Josh's running ability, but in order to do that the  edge rushers have to be able to force Josh to step up in the pocket.

The Fish's Wilkins and Phillips are a tall order for any team, they were lining up against Spencer Brown, we weren't keeping Knox in to block and ran a lot of 11 personnel.

 

I feel a little better [not a lot] that Hendrickson usually lines up over Dion. 

 

Bengals outside corners can be exploited as long as Josh gets the ball out quickly and doesn't try to play hero ball. 

 

Running plays/screens have been known to slow down the pass rush, perhaps Dorsey might have read the memo this week after 7 sacks including a TD. 

 

This is a time when I wish we had a running back like Barkley and not our collection of smurfs. 

 

Not good when your QB is your best 3rd & 1 option.

[Magox]

2 hours ago, jletha said:

Ravens can also get home with 4, Im not sure our D-line can do that consistently with their O-line banged up.

 

I don't think we can, it is a liability.  I was hoping that Oliver, Phillips and the other interior guys could make up the slack but so far that hasn't been the case.

 

Hopefully they can get some pressure but I think in order to generate more pressure the Bills will have to continue with their increased blitzes that we have been seeing over the past few weeks.   The blitzes can't be vanilla or Burrow will slice them.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

But that’s Burrow and he’s like , great and stuff and Josh isn’t. 

Exactly. 
 

It’s okay when Joe does it.

[Boatdrinks]

I’m good if the Bills don’t run any screens on Sunday.. they’re not good at them and at this point you dance with who brung ya

[zow2]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

Just a gut feeling on my part - but I think the Bills we saw earlier this season are going to re-emerge this coming week.  I actually don't expect a close game.  Cincy's O-line issues will be the difference.

 

 

Sure hope so.  The Bills performance that beat the Titans would be nice.  Can we dial that up?!?   That's probably the most complete game of the season against a decent team (Tannehill was healthy then).

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Real McNasty said:

Just this replay, around the 39 sec you see Brown break the route towards the sideline. 

 

If John Brown would have ran straight ahead on that route, he would have ran past the DB, the ball would have been a little underthrown, Brown would have been in better position to slow down and time his jump for what would have been a contested catch.

[Chandler#81]

Bye, Tanner.