CincyBillsFan Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, mannc said: The ball got there at the same time as the DB’s hand. It was a forced throw to a guy who was covered. It wasn't a forced throw it was an NFL throw into tight coverage. 2 1 1
Motorin' Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Logic said: For a thread titled "We're on to Cincinnati", well.... We sure don't seem to be. I wonder if Cinci is going to stick with the 2 high shell after watching the sometimes success plays the Dolphins had with Cover-0 and Cover-1 blitzes? I think they will. Much like the Bills they're a base nickel D. Even against our jumbo package with Bobby Hart. I'd love to see us commit to a balanced rushing attack against their light box. The more we stick to the run, the better play action will work. On D, we need to effect Burrow. With their depleted Online can we get consistent pressure with 4? Would love mix in Milano / Edmunds blitzes, Taron off the edge. Lots of simulated pressure. But I hate it when we blitz and half of our players drop into soft zones with eyes on the QB and never look at the recievers. I'd like to see more zone matching coverage than 3 guys covering empty blades of grass with no receivers within 20 yards of them... And I really hope we see a lot of Elam matched up against either Chase or Higgins. Let Elam cover!
Boatdrinks Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: The team plays with a giant chip on their shoulder and the attitude has rubbed off on the whole city and most of SW Ohio and NKY. They feel constantly wronged by the league, other teams and the media. F@&! ‘em… that “ chip” crap doesn’t mean squat and is vastly overrated. I see some whiny cheap shot artists, and the game is in Buffalo because the Bills had a better record. Simple as that. 3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: It wasn't a forced throw it was an NFL throw into tight coverage. Yep. Those types of throws are completed in every game. A bad bounce is all. 2
Drew21PA Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I know it's a big "if" but if the jags pull off (another) the upset do they come to orchard park? I felt the neutral site would only apply to the bengals and don't understand why the neutral site would apply to kc? I would rather see the bills go in to arrowhead if kc wins. I mean, it's not like the bills can't win there? 2nd half jags defense will beat Mahomes with how the jags offense (2nd half offense as well) plays
Patrick Duffy Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Gugny said: It was a pass that should have been caught by Beasley. It's really that simple. 13 minutes ago, mannc said: Go watch it again and tell me how Beasley could have caught that ball. I haven't gone back and watched again just yet, but at first it looked like it could have been a PI that may have contributed to Bease not being able to catch it...
LabattBlue Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Gugny said: It was a pass that should have been caught by Beasley. It's really that simple. The Dolphin defender had his entire arm in between Beasleys chest and the ball. Not sure what you expected Beasley to do on that play?
mannc Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: It wasn't a forced throw it was an NFL throw into tight coverage. the DB was literally on Beasley's back and got his entire arm between the ball and Beasley. There is absolutely no way Beasley makes that catch unless he could magically turn himself into Rob Gronkowski. I don't think Beasley even touched the ball. Edited January 17, 2023 by mannc 1
CincyBillsFan Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Well....the Bengals had their own self-inflicted wounds in the Ravens game, but the Ravens generously declined to take advantage and responded with their on harikiri. For example, if the Ravens tried some sort of offense from the Cinci 3 yrd line except THREE SUCCESSiVE PASSES, are you kidding me? They could have gone into halftime up 14-9 instead of 10-9 Then of course there's the inexplicable 3rd and 1 decision by the Ravens to chant "I believe I can fly" and have Huntley keep and jump over the pile with the ball extended a half yard short of the goal line and his teammates pushing him from behind (which works better if you're not in the air), like they were running different plays. Why they didn't give to Dobbins or Gus Bus there, is a mystery for the ages. Result, 14 point swing and the final score, 24-17 My point is that the Bengals did not exactly show themselves to be an unstoppable juggernaut vs. the Ravens either. They gave the Ravens the temporary lead on a turnover, then took the final lead on a Ravens miscue. Yes, it was vs. a division rival who knows them well. So was the Dolphins game where the Bills didn't show themselves to be an unstoppable juggernaut. Bengals also looked thoroughly beatable vs. NWE, giving up 2 INTs and a fumble. Two missed PAT and a missed 2 point from a tied game. Now, whether our coaches choose a game plan that can beat them, remains to be seen. And for what it's worth a look at the stats is illuminating: First Downs Bengals 18 Ravens 23 Bills 25 Dolphins 16 Yards Bengals 234 Ravens 364 Bills 423 Dolphins 231 So in some ways while the Bengals struggled to move the ball and the Ravens moved it fairly well the Bills went up and down the field and the Dolphins had only one long drive. 2
Low Positive Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I wonder if Cinci is going to stick with the 2 high shell after watching the sometimes success plays the Dolphins had with Cover-0 and Cover-1 blitzes? I think they will. Much like the Bills they're a base nickel D. Even against our jumbo package with Bobby Hart. I'd love to see us commit to a balanced rushing attack against their light box. The more we stick to the run, the better play action will work. On D, we need to effect Burrow. With their depleted Online can we get consistent pressure with 4? Would love mix in Milano / Edmunds blitzes, Taron off the edge. Lots of simulated pressure. But I hate it when we blitz and half of our players drop into soft zones with eyes on the QB and never look at the recievers. I'd like to see more zone matching coverage than 3 guys covering empty blades of grass with no receivers within 20 yards of them... And I really hope we see a lot of Elam matched up against either Chase or Higgins. Let Elam cover! You're right. The Bengals blitz at the same rate that the Bills do this year. Last week against the Ravens they played it differently because they didn't fear Huntley's arm. Against teams with a good QB, their nickel corner plays almost 100% of the snaps. Against Mahomes, they have taken to rushing three and dropping 8. Can't do that against Josh because he'll just run through the gap in the middle. We'll see what they do. 1
Logic Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I wonder if Cinci is going to stick with the 2 high shell after watching the sometimes success plays the Dolphins had with Cover-0 and Cover-1 blitzes? I think they will. Much like the Bills they're a base nickel D. Even against our jumbo package with Bobby Hart. I'd love to see us commit to a balanced rushing attack against their light box. The more we stick to the run, the better play action will work. I agree that Cincy will do what they do best, and so will we. People make a lot of the idea of copying other teams' effective gameplans in the NFL, but it's not that simple. Each roster's strengths, weaknesses, personnel specifics, and coaching tendencies play a big part. It's not as easy as "just do what the Dolphins did!". Likewise, I don't see the Bills doing what the Ravens did against Cincy. We're each gonna "dance with what brung us" (yes I know "brung" is not a word). Offensively, if the run is working, I hope they just keep running! Ever since the Bills became a pretty good rushing offense, I've seen a frustrating trend: The run will be working really well, they'll rip off two straight 6 yard+ runs....and then they'll just throw it five straight times. I get that you don't want to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands too much. However, if an opposing defense is not showing that they can stop your run game, KEEP RUNNING! 1 1
QLBillsFan Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Gugny said: It was a pass that should have been caught by Beasley. It's really that simple. It was clear PI through Beasley and should have been called as such. It wasn’t even close. 1
Low Positive Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Logic said: I agree that Cincy will do what they do best, and so will we. People make a lot of the idea of copying other teams' effective gameplans in the NFL, but it's not that simple. Each roster's strengths, weaknesses, personnel specifics, and coaching tendencies play a big part. It's not as easy as "just do what the Dolphins did!". Likewise, I don't see the Bills doing what the Ravens did against Cincy. We're each gonna "dance with what brung us" (yes I know "brung" is not a word). Offensively, if the run is working, I hope they just keep running! Ever since the Bills became a pretty good rushing offense, I've seen a frustrating trend: The run will be working really well, they'll rip off two straight 6 yard+ runs....and then they'll just throw it five straight times. I get that you don't want to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands too much. However, if an opposing defense is not showing that they can stop your run game, KEEP RUNNING! Actually, against the Bengals, the Ravens play a lot of cover 2 and soft man. Joe Burrow was complaining about it after their first game in Baltimore this year. Here is the quote Quote They were taking away all of our deep shots. Even when they were playing man, they were playing pretty soft, high hip, I thought for the most part," Burrow said. "They did a good job of making us check it down and making us have these long 12 – 15 play drives.” 1
newcam2012 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I wonder if Cinci is going to stick with the 2 high shell after watching the sometimes success plays the Dolphins had with Cover-0 and Cover-1 blitzes? I think they will. Much like the Bills they're a base nickel D. Even against our jumbo package with Bobby Hart. I'd love to see us commit to a balanced rushing attack against their light box. The more we stick to the run, the better play action will work. On D, we need to effect Burrow. With their depleted Online can we get consistent pressure with 4? Would love mix in Milano / Edmunds blitzes, Taron off the edge. Lots of simulated pressure. But I hate it when we blitz and half of our players drop into soft zones with eyes on the QB and never look at the recievers. I'd like to see more zone matching coverage than 3 guys covering empty blades of grass with no receivers within 20 yards of them... And I really hope we see a lot of Elam matched up against either Chase or Higgins. Let Elam cover! Defense Coordinator Lou Anarumo will change up his defenses. He will make wht he feels are the right adjustments. He's probably one of the best in game adjusters in the game. The real question is their defense talented enough to cobtain the Bills O. This game is a very tough test for the Bills defense. The Bengals have a lot of weapons. The Bills secondary simply cannot match up with their pass catchers. We saw that already. Elam will likely aget tourched by Chase and Higgins. Be careful what you ask for. The key will be the Bills front vs the weakened injuried Bengals Oline. The Bills need to pressure, disrupt, and confuse Burrow. No easy task. If they don't Burrow will shred the Bills secondary. You can bet on that.
Motorin' Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, newcam2012 said: Defense Coordinator Lou Anarumo will change up his defenses. He will make wht he feels are the right adjustments. He's probably one of the best in game adjusters in the game. The real question is their defense talented enough to cobtain the Bills O. This game is a very tough test for the Bills defense. The Bengals have a lot of weapons. The Bills secondary simply cannot match up with their pass catchers. We saw that already. Elam will likely aget tourched by Chase and Higgins. Be careful what you ask for. The key will be the Bills front vs the weakened injuried Bengals Oline. The Bills need to pressure, disrupt, and confuse Burrow. No easy task. If they don't Burrow will shred the Bills secondary. You can bet on that. Are you betting on that? Another 3 dollars 😂 Elam held up pretty well against Hill and Waddle. I'm not suggesting we play man all game. I just see offenses having the most success against our D when they play zone without ever getting their eyes on the receiver running through their zone.
GolfandBills Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: It was clear PI through Beasley and should have been called as such. It wasn’t even close. They’ve been letting a lot of those close ones go in the playoffs and I’m fine with that. Edited January 17, 2023 by GolfandBills
Bagwell358 Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Defense Coordinator Lou Anarumo will change up his defenses. He will make wht he feels are the right adjustments. He's probably one of the best in game adjusters in the game. The real question is their defense talented enough to cobtain the Bills O. This game is a very tough test for the Bills defense. The Bengals have a lot of weapons. The Bills secondary simply cannot match up with their pass catchers. We saw that already. Elam will likely aget tourched by Chase and Higgins. Be careful what you ask for. The key will be the Bills front vs the weakened injuried Bengals Oline. The Bills need to pressure, disrupt, and confuse Burrow. No easy task. If they don't Burrow will shred the Bills secondary. You can bet on that. To me what this game comes down to is what defensive lineman want to step up and consistently win one on one matchups against replacement level offensive linemen. They are down three starters. The drop off to those guys looks significant in a few cases especially. I do not want have to get so reliant on Milano and Edmunds blitzing to get pressure and let Chase and Higgins have their shots 1 on 1 downfield. There is a lot of money and draft capital invested in this DL even without Von. I see teams with much less impact games more consistently than this current group. Time to have their best game of the season. 1
ColoradoBills Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 Bengals are coming to Orchard Park for the Divisional Round. Bills fans have been waiting for this all year. "These are the 'good ole days'". 1 1 1
Patrick Duffy Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: It was clear PI through Beasley and should have been called as such. It wasn’t even close. That's what I thought also when first saw it, but maybe could have been considered one of those "bang-bang" type plays I assume. 6 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: They’ve been letting a lot of those close ones go in the playoffs and I’m fine with that. Yeah so far they have been letting them play,
jletha Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Actually, against the Bengals, the Ravens play a lot of cover 2 and soft man. Joe Burrow was complaining about it after their first game in Baltimore this year. Here is the quote Ravens can also get home with 4, Im not sure our D-line can do that consistently with their O-line banged up. 1
Low Positive Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said: That's what I thought also when first saw it, but maybe could have been considered one of those "bang-bang" type plays I assume. Yeah so far they have been letting them play, Unless you're Tre White. That PI call that extended the Fins sole long drive was weak, especially given all that they let go throughout the game. 2 1
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