Question for OC Dorsey

[SCBills]

My question for OC Dorsey:

 

Is it annoying to scheme up wide open receivers all over the place and have fans blame you because the players weren’t executing for half of the game?

[BuffaloRebound]

5 minutes ago, buffblue said:

And Frazier's decision to call off the dogs once the Bills went up 34-24 was also inexplicable. He is the definition of conservative, play not to lose mentality. The blitz was working, we're in control, but hey let's rush only Boogie and AJ against a 3rd string 7th rounder

Yep.  If we are gonna advance past next weekend, it’s gonna take a more aggressive style of D.  And it’s gonna take a more physical brand of offense.  

[Eastport bills]

18 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Beasley’s TD was a blatant illegal pick by Diggs.

Please don’t complain about missed calls. How many delay of game calls did they miss or the missed holding call on Beasley’s tipped pick. It all evens out.

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

Are you familiar with the following concepts: RB screen, TE screen, bubble screen, draw, delayed draw, quick slant, quick out, go and stop, etc.  I'm no OC, but it seems to me that there are experts in the NFL that believe these are effective concepts against cover zero. Thanks for your attention.  Now...back to calling your seven step drop duo go routes.....

 

Bessley TD was done on a WR screen.

 

You runscreens when you think you d will over pursue.

 

dhort pass plays can be an issue with batted balls and Allen throwing hard.

 

the throw outs routes or option route of an out, in , or turnaround

 

a draw is the same as a fake hand off or Allen doing a delayed run 2 seconds after the snap.

 

thr conspt of a hot receiver relies on the rusher leaving coverage of the area the receiver goes.

 

 

[buffblue]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

My question for OC Dorsey:

 

Is it annoying to scheme up wide open receivers all over the place and have fans blame you because the players weren’t executing for half of the game?

Not to call you out or be confrontational, but what do you make of the fact that often when we need 6 to 8 yards we seem to be unwilling/unable to do anything but throw it 40? Does that not fall at least somewhat on the coordinator?

[SCBills]

Just now, buffblue said:

Not to call you out or be confrontational, but what do you make of the fact that often when we need 6 to 8 yards we seem to be unwilling/unable to do anything but throw it 40? Does that not fall at least somewhat on the coordinator?

Absolutely.  He has his faults… but he called a game today that should have resulted in an absolute massacre.

 

We also don’t know what every route was on some of those shot plays.  Allen just chose to go deep, but I can’t imagine we’re just running 4 verticals all the time. 

[djp14150]

20 minutes ago, buffblue said:

And Frazier's decision to call off the dogs once the Bills went up 34-24 was also inexplicable. He is the definition of conservative, play not to lose mentality. The blitz was working, we're in control, but hey let's rush only Boogie and AJ against a 3rd string 7th rounder

The logic behind this…

 

use the clock against them by making them do short plays burning the clock.  If you go heavy pressure you run the risk of being caught on a big play 50 yd+ play

[BeastMaster]

They have to get Cook some screens or short passes in space...he's got the ability to take those for big gains.

 

 

This Is unforgivable with the way teams are playing us

[Bubba Gump]

The Bills running plays leave a lot to be desired. You can't run straight at Miami's front 4, yet they kept doing it. When they ran outside of the tackles was the only time they had success. They also went deep too many times today, but not sure how much of that was on Allen himself. The Bills averaged 15 yards per pass attempt. That's way too high. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Bubba Gump

[Steptide]

Starting to think that allen playing with Dorsey is like Allen and his older brother, where as Allen with daboll was more like Allen and his dad. I feel like dabolls offense was more disciplined, and dorseys is more care free. Having said that though, this bills team is technically better than last years team. 

[PBF81]

58 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

What’s puzzling to me is that the Bills have Joe Brady and Mike Shula on staff. Both are  tenured NFL offensive coaches with years of experience who should be available for counseling and mentoring the first year OC. Can they not help Dorsey to have more imagination with play design and implementation?

In a previous posting I asked the question ‘is Dorsey a frustrated ex-QB who’s living vicariously through Allen and just wants to throw bombs all day?”

in 2022, Josh has frequently regressed back to ‘the hero ball’ novice he was 3 or 4 years ago.  He’s become impatient, careless with the ball, improvising too much, and his inconsistent accuracy has receivers often reaching high or scooping from the turf to make catches. 
 

The Bills are winning, but they’re living dangerously. Unless they eliminate sloppy play and start playIng like a Championship team, we may have just seen our last Bills victory of the 2022 season.  

 

There are a lot of good comments in this thread.  I agree with you as well.  

 

What I've been left with throughout the season is that we don't particularly play with a methodical approach of any kind, something that the best coaches do.  It's far too ad hoc at times.  It works because it's Allen, but this playground/hero ball isn't suitable for all situations.  

 

Our D, while going into an absurd prevent type D coupled with zero ability to pass rush effectively with just 4 linemen, held the Fins to 231 total yards, yet, on that they were able to put up 31 and nearly more.  

 

I point out to my friends via text during the game that one of our guys was open underneath, say 2 or 3 yards beyond the LoS, and Allen hits him it's a 10-15 yard gain, but for somer reason either Allen's not looking or doesn't seen them because his eyes are deep.  It's frequent.  QBs like Brady made a living on the short-medium stuff.  The deeper stuff was icing.  And while Allen's got the arm, between Allen and Dorsey, they need to think about controlling the flow of the game more, not merely trying to play trackmeet style with big plays as someone already pointed out.  Josh is missing, or not seeing/looking, too many easy high-percentage throws that would gain significant ground and move chains, perhaps despite not being sexy.  

 

It all leaves the impression that they rarely have any actual game plans, as if they simply show up saying "let's see what Allen has today."   That's not a strategy much less a tactical methodology.  It's concerning to be sure and while I wouldn't trade Allen for any QB in the game today, being subject to whether or not he's on is a risk in and of itself.  

 

Having said all that, we talk as if none of the other teams in the league have issues, but last week when we were down about certain things, Allen played better than all but one playoff QB despite not having had his best game.  

 

At the end of the day it would be far more reassuring and comforting if while they were marching down the field one got the impression that they had a methodology to what it was that they were doing.  That's my take.  

Edited January 16, 2023 by PBF81

[Simon]

32 minutes ago, buffblue said:

And Frazier's decision to call off the dogs once the Bills went up 34-24 was also inexplicable. He is the definition of conservative, play not to lose mentality. The blitz was working, we're in control, but hey let's rush only Boogie and AJ against a 3rd string 7th rounder

 

I thought they forced a lot of throwaways and wasted downs with those light rushes and loaded coverages.

Miami had under 250 yrds of total offense on only 3.3 yrds/play and went 4/16 on 3rd down.

Frazier was not a problem today, imo

[DrPJax]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

His offense scored 34 points despite having 3 turnovers.

Solid.

      Yet we  were one drive from possibly losing to third string Qb , on a team with a depleted o line , depleted running backs , coached by a ROOKIE head coach as Mcd is entering his 6 th year.  You can chose to just look at the final point total , but our o also gave them six points on a strip sack / fumble recovery and we lost other points because of the ints and Josh fumbling before before getting a first down on the initial drive. 
 

       We played a supposedly vastly inferior opponent ( just looking at records alone , not to mention how depleted their roster was ) so actually 34 points IN THAT CONTEXT, is not that solid. I think teams like KC , San Fran would have easily hung a fifty burger on that team playing them in their home stadiums.   I love the w and obviously it’s about moving on. Followed the Bills since ‘63, went to two of the superbowls , and todays quality of win could be an issue if like past seasons , trends matter.  
 

     it’s funny , Before Super Bowl 27 in Pasadena against the cowboys , I got to attend a dinner with Hank Stram speaking.  To my dismay and complete disbelief in the BS I thought he was spouting , he predicted the cowboys would win , easily , based on a formula he used that included a teams turnover history/ ratio.  There was no way I thought the Bills could lose three in a row , that’s why I went !  Lol! Damn Stram was right !  Trends and quality of play prior to a given game can  matter.  Vegas counts on that type of stuff right? 
 

     Watching this season I wonder if Dorsey is a little too forgiving or too lenient with Josh. It’s not been a great year of ball security by him. Just a thought; yet hard to ignore  Dabolls success with turning the Giants around and Jones committing no turnovers in the win today.  Dabolls offenses struggled at times last year but he sure turned things up for the playoffs and got the most out of Josh.  Dorsey has done a remarkable job but it sure has been a struggle at times. The turnovers just keep coming ( don’t we have the most of the teams in the playoffs ?) and it’s hard to overcome that predisposition moving up the competition tree. It was great to not lose tho and this team is definitely getting good at that ! 👍😀

[buffblue]

Just now, Simon said:

 

I thought they forced a lot of throwaways and wasted downs with those light rushes and loaded coverages.

Miami had under 250 yrds of total offense on only 3.3 yrds/play and went 4/16 on 3rd down.

Frazier was not a problem today, imo

Not as a whole, I agree. But in that particular instance I thought he showed an abnormal amount of deference and lack of killer instinct 

[BaaadThingsMan]

More Shakir around the los with run after catch opportunity

 

Same for Cook please

 

 

 

 

[Playoffs?]

All this talk of Dorsey’s playcalling… I saw our O-Line getting blown up a lot. I wonder if he was struggling to call plays due to the unreliability on the line?  Or maybe Josh was trying to improvise?

[JerseyBills]

I just don't like that we stopped feeding 14

He had 100 or close to 100 in the 1st qtr.

 

Ended with 115 .. I understand they tried taking him away but you gotta feed your all pros.. Even if Davis stepped up

[DapperCam]

44 minutes ago, SCBills said:

My question for OC Dorsey:

 

Is it annoying to scheme up wide open receivers all over the place and have fans blame you because the players weren’t executing for half of the game?

Even if players are open, 50 yard passes downfield are low percentage plays. The pass has to be good and the catch had to be good. If you are winning by 3 scores kill the clock get some first downs and get the heck out of there.

[JerseyBills]

17 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

More Shakir around the los with run after catch opportunity

 

Same for Cook please

 

 

 

 

Motor ran better than Cook imo 

 

I want Cook/Hines backfield.  We saw it 1 game for like 15 plays and it disappeared after. 

[BuffaloRebound]

We really gotta find a way to get Hines involved more.  I’d love to see Hines and Cook on the field together for a couple plays.