Thoughts on McDermott’s timeouts?

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

McDermott needs to know ahead of time how plays will turn out so he doesn't call time out when plays go our way.

It would be best if they were prepared before the play so that he didn’t feel the need to call TO to not get caught with the their pants down. Also, the timeout seems to have no bearing on whether the ensuing play is stopped or not.

[Einstein]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

McDermott needs to know ahead of time how plays will turn out so he doesn't call time out when plays go our way.

 

I know you’re being facetious but perhaps he needs to follow the George Constanza rule.

 

Just do the OPPOSITE of what you think you should do 😂

 

 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wrong play. The 4th and 1 we stuffed was delay of game on the Fins. It was the 4th and 5 the previous drive that they went for where we called TO. 

 

Oh that’s right. Thank you.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Oh that’s right. Thank you.

 

Normally I'd have followed with a sarcastic comment but I don't blame you losing track today... that was a wild and crazy game!!!

[Reks Ryan]

Absolutely hate his defensive TOs.   Not only today.  It allows the Offense to reset, and results are usually bad for Bills.  Ex The Chiefs do not complete the Kelce pass to set up GW FG last year, except for that amazingly stupid defensive TO.  Today the Dolphins likely don’t score their last TD except for defensive TO and the last 1 where Miami missed on 4th down, cost more than 50

yards of field position after the punt.

 

I’m a big fan of McD, and give him a ton of credit for Bills recent success.  However. I think there are times in big games where he wants to assert some direct responsibility for the outcome. And the unnecessary TOs come back to bite him.

13 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

1 good and 1 bad. Needed a thread for this?

Yes

[BillnutinHouston]

When you're the HC & see your MLB (Milano) with his arms outstretched with palms out, not knowing what to do at the snap, you......

 

Do nothing?

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Haven't seen the first one back the second one was absolutely the right call. The D was all over the place and there were going to be multiple receivers open. In the end Thompson tried a low percentage throw and missed so it looks bad... but if he looked off to his left he had guys with no defenders opposite them.

 

And I cursed it at first in the GDT. But when you see the replay that is ABSOLUTELY a spot where you call time out. 

honestly, I don’t think you can really factor the result of the play on those ones at all. 
 

I did not like the attempt to force the review. It cost a play attempt and you know ny is looking even if the ref didn’t. 
 

I thought the last second on 4th was odd with the impending delay of game but sure he saw something 

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

Absolutely hate his defensive TOs.   Not only today.  It allows the Offense to reset, and results are usually bad for Bills.  Ex The Chiefs do not complete the Kelce pass to set up GW FG last year, except for that amazingly stupid defensive TO.  Today the Dolphins likely don’t score their last TD except for defensive TO and the last 1 where Miami missed on 4th down, cost more than 50

yards of field position after the punt.

 

I’m a big fan of McD, and give him a ton of credit for Bills recent success.  However. I think there are times in big games where he wants to assert some direct responsibility for the outcome. And the unnecessary TOs come back to bite him.

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Agreed.  He’s great at organization/ team building and getting a team prepared, but he seems to wet his pants on these snap decisions.  

[Dr.Sack]

I’m at the point where I’m content we won. Not our job to fix this issue - for McD this can’t happen next week. 

[PromoTheRobot]

11 minutes ago, vincec said:

It would be best if they were prepared before the play so that he didn’t feel the need to call TO to not get caught with the their pants down. Also, the timeout seems to have no bearing on whether the ensuing play is stopped or not.

 

Exactly. He needs to know what defense the opponent puts out there before they put it out.

[BuffBillsForLife]

When the Bills and Dolphins play next year, the league should take away both team's timeouts at the start to prevent future embarassment.  Yeesh.

[Ralonzo]

McDermott calling timeouts on defense just gives the offense a chance to get into the proper play. It's football 101 that you don't do that unless you're subject to a substitution penalty that results in a first down. He thinks it's clever, but it's dumb.

[pigpen65]

The timeouts signaled panic. The guy panicked today, big time. His team looked under prepared and his OC called an incredibly stupid game. 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

McDermott calling timeouts on defense just gives the offense a chance to get into the proper play. It's football 101 that you don't do that unless you're subject to a substitution penalty that results in a first down. He thinks it's clever, but it's dumb.

yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it 

[BuffaloRebound]

Just now, NoSaint said:

yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it 

Miami wasn’t even gonna get the play off in time.  McDermott blinked.  McDaniel didn’t.  

[Matt_In_NH]

It is hard to not let the “plays that never happened “ influence your opinion here.  The second o e they were not ready.  Time-outs I. The second half are gold.   Honestly not sure but so glad they won the game.  We could be talking off season.  

[Ralonzo]

Just now, NoSaint said:

yea, if you are lined up or matched poorly on a big play why would you fix it 

 

You're clever too. Did you not learn from Peyton and Eli? Timeouts are for the offense.

 

Pretty sure I went over this in GDT. Second half timeouts, I would sooner take a DoG than burn one, burning two on defense is indefensible. Defense is reactive, being in the wrong set isn't critical. Having time to think about things benefits the offense, not the defense. This is why Peyton & Eli say "timeouts are for the offense." Not having the ability to control clock at the end of a game is critical. We've seen this over and over from Mcd, he doesn't understand this basic truth.

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

You're clever too. Did you not learn from Peyton and Eli? Timeouts are for the offense.

 

Pretty sure I went over this in GDT. Second half timeouts, I would sooner take a DoG than burn one, burning two on defense is indefensible. Defense is reactive, being in the wrong set isn't critical. Having time to think about things benefits the offense, not the defense. This is why Peyton & Eli say "timeouts are for the offense." Not having the ability to control clock at the end of a game is critical. We've seen this over and over from Mcd, he doesn't understand this basic truth.

 

I agree with you 90% of the time re: this situation, but before I passed final judgement I'd really like to see what that field looked like when he was chugging down the sideline to the judge.

I missed the replay because I was literally face down on my carpet for the only time today, saying "I cannot f'ing believe he did it again".

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

honestly, I don’t think you can really factor the result of the play on those ones at all. 
 

I did not like the attempt to force the review. It cost a play attempt and you know ny is looking even if the ref didn’t. 
 

I thought the last second on 4th was odd with the impending delay of game but sure he saw something 

 

Yea the one at the end of the first half on offense was the worst of the 3. 100%. That costs you a shot at the endzone.

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I agree with you 90% of the time re: this situation, but before I passed final judgement I'd really like to see what that field looked like when he was chugging down the sideline to the judge.

I missed the replay because I was literally face down on my carpet for the only time today, saying "I cannot f'ing believe he did it again".

 

I get that, but even if you see their #1 WR totally uncovered, you only run down to call a TO for that, ideally, late in the 4th. Otherwise you'd end up burning your TOs early in every half if you're calling them when you think you have an unfavorable D matchup.

 

Timeouts are for the offense.

 

Also, I was face down on the hardwood for stumbling.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I get that, but even if you see their #1 WR totally uncovered, you only run down to call a TO for that, ideally, late in the 4th. Otherwise you'd end up burning your TOs early in every half if you're calling them when you think you have an unfavorable D matchup.

 

Timeouts are for the offense.

 

Also, I was face down on the hardwood for stumbling.

 

That play you HAVE to call timeout. They weren't just misaligned. They were not in any alignment.