Season end, how good are the Bills really?

[TampaBillsJunkie]

5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

I’d agree with your point. As a counter point I’d ask you to consider what team could have won if they had 2 picks, 3 fumbles, a muffed punt, and gave up a 50 yard punt return? There is maybe one team (KC) that could on your list outside of Buffalo. 

 

The Bills won a game where all previous teams had failed. This should give us a sigh of relief and also a tremendous amount of confidence going forward. 

I'm confident they can win out, but they have to play near mistake free ball. Josh can't turn it over 2-3 times and expect the D will bail them out. 

[Dr.Sack]

53 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

I'm confident they can win out, but they have to play near mistake free ball. Josh can't turn it over 2-3 times and expect the D will bail them out. 

I’m of the opinion that our offense is so dynamic with Allen that they can afford to turn the ball over 1-2 times per game against anyone and still be in the game. Factor in the Bills defense and ability to generate turnovers and it comes down to Red Zone efficiency. 

[Big Blitz]

If we had one of Hyde or Miller I’d say we are the best team in the NFL.    

 

We don’t have either.  
 

Poyer does not look close to 100%.  
 

The Defense we assembled didn’t play 1 snap together.  

 

We are riding and dying with the offense.    

[WyoAZBillfan]

On 1/15/2023 at 5:00 PM, BillsFan130 said:

Bengals D is better all around than the Fins.

 

Dolphins have a good front 4, but their linebackers and banged up secondary are a mess. (31st against the pass)

You like Apple crisp? Other than Wilson linebackers are nothing spectacular either. 2 above average D lineman. Miami has a pretty good D, yeah they were hurt and they still made plays yesterday, Bills D done the same most of the season. 

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

You like Apple crisp? Other than Wilson linebackers are nothing spectacular either. 2 above average D lineman. Miami has a pretty good D, yeah they were hurt and they still made plays yesterday, Bills D done the same most of the season. 

DJ reader , Hendrickson and Hubbard are only “above average to you”?

 

Maybe Hubbard falls under that category, but Hendrickson and DJ reader are absolute animals and are way above average. BJ hill is also a solid player

 

Miami had the 31st ranked pass D while missing key starters. Their DC may be fired because the unit played poorly basically all year long

[78thealltimegreat]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

DJ reader , Hendrickson and Hubbard are only “above average to you”?

 

Maybe Hubbard falls under that category, but Hendrickson and DJ reader are absolute animals and are way above average. BJ hill is also a solid player

 

Miami had the 31st ranked pass D while missing key starters. Their DC may be fired because the unit played poorly basically all year long

Yeh and Tyler Huntley who of course is in a class above Josh Allen marched up and down the field on the vaunted Bengals D…I hope our mediocre QB can at least hold his own and not embarrass the franchise since I know he’s not Tyler. 

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yeh and Tyler Huntley who of course is in a class above Josh Allen marched up and down the field on the vaunted Bengals D…I hope our mediocre QB can at least hold his own and not embarrass the franchise since I know he’s not Tyler. 

I never once said they are vaunted.

 

My point was They are inarguably better than Miami’s defence. Literally every single category (turnovers, yards, points, pass defence) except for rush defence.

 

Never once said the bills can’t shred them , I was literally just stating that they have a better d than Miami….

Edited January 17, 2023 by BillsFan130

[Big Blitz]

26 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

DJ reader , Hendrickson and Hubbard are only “above average to you”?

 

Maybe Hubbard falls under that category, but Hendrickson and DJ reader are absolute animals and are way above average. BJ hill is also a solid player

 

Philips Wilkins and Chubb are ???  
 

Miami’s secondary is better.  
 

 

26 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

 

Miami had the 31st ranked pass D while missing key starters. Their DC may be fired because the unit played poorly basically all year long

 

The Bengals are a better coached defense.  
 

Of this I have no doubt.  
 

Talent wise the Dolphins D is much better then the Bengals.

 

But one of the most underachieving units in recent memory.  
 

 

Branden Staley will be their DC in a few weeks.  

 

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Philips Wilkins and Chubb are ???  
 

Miami’s secondary is better.  
 

 

 

The Bengals are a better coached defense.  
 

Of this I have no doubt.  
 

Talent wise the Dolphins D is much better then the Bengals.

 

But one of the most underachieving units in recent memory.  
 

 

Branden Staley will be their DC in a few weeks.  

 

Miami has a good front 4. That’s it.

 

Coaching is awful, linebackers are maybe the worst in football and their secondary with their injuries are bottom 5 easily

 

Their defensive stats pretty much reflect that ^

Edited January 17, 2023 by BillsFan130

[WyoAZBillfan]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Miami has a good front 4. That’s it.

 

Coaching is awful, linebackers are maybe the worst in football and their secondary with their injuries are bottom 5 easily

 

Their defensive stats pretty much reflect that ^

And yet where Flores was coaching then they were highly ranked, same players …often hurt as you pointed out. Coaching matters. Either way your point to brag up Bengals D being better sort of implies Buffalo going to struggle (and they may) more than the Ravens did against them. Division rivals play different, they just do. See AFC Western, NFC North and whelp who beat Buffalo 2 times this year? 
it’s apples and oranges, but bengals D is vastly overrated, at least the secondary. Personally I like the LBs and D line. 

[Big Blitz]

The Bengals have won 4 games vs playoff teams:

 

Tampa (lol)

Ravens (no Lamar)

Chiefs (ok…I guess)

Miami (Tua hurt in 1st quarter)

[John from Riverside]

we are the best team in the league when we don’t turn the ball over

 

Nobody can beat us as long as we do that

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

DJ reader , Hendrickson and Hubbard are only “above average to you”?

 

Maybe Hubbard falls under that category, but Hendrickson and DJ reader are absolute animals and are way above average. BJ hill is also a solid player

 

Miami had the 31st ranked pass D while missing key starters. Their DC may be fired because the unit played poorly basically all year long

Healthy Hendrickson might make it a different story,  but I’d rather see the bengals defense than the dolphins with a healthy Xavien Howard.  Cincy doesn’t have the talent in the secondary to man us up and send the house.
 

Kohou and howard were playing well down the stretch…crossen isn’t very good but one mediocre corner you can gameplan around.
 

Wilkins/jaelan Phillips / Bradley Chubb are all great pass rushers.  Dolphins problems all season were on the back end with Xavien Howard playing well below 100% for most of the year.  
 

No disrespect to the bengals defense but no one on their team will play as well as jaelan Phillips did yesterday…he was absolutely everywhere. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Miami has a good front 4. That’s it.

 

Coaching is awful, linebackers are maybe the worst in football and their secondary with their injuries are bottom 5 easily

 

Their defensive stats pretty much reflect that ^

Linebackers are the worst in football?  Lol that is an absolutely incredibly incorrect take.  
 

Jaelan Phillips/Bradley Chubb/Melvin Ingram? Heck even Jerome baker is pretty good.  Only average player at LB is elandon roberts.  Jaelan Phillips was the best player on the field yesterday and it wasn’t even close.  
 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BillsFan130]

8 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Linebackers are the worst in football?  Lol that is an absolutely incredibly incorrect take.  
 

Jaelan Phillips/Bradley Chubb/Melvin Ingram? Heck even Jerome baker is pretty good.  Only average player at LB is elandon roberts.  Jaelan Phillips was the best player on the field yesterday and it wasn’t even close.  
 

 

 

 

 

Ok sorry to clarify when I say linebackers I am talking about their Middle/coverage ones. Phillips and those guys are essentially pass rushers.

 

I disagree about Baker and roberts. They are so slow and essentially are useless against the pass

[Eastport bills]

You play who’s on the schedule. It’s hard to win a game in the NFL. You’re judged by w/l record. How can you quantify a team’s excellence by examining the records after the season. Injuries and unexpected performance based on matchups always have to be factored in.