Season end, how good are the Bills really?

[Comebackkid]

21 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

We are a good team.  Our point differential and W/L record tells us that.

 

But what we have seen for much of the year is a good team rough around the edges.  Sloppy play, mistakes, poor execution, poor coaching, poor in-game tactical decisions...it's the finer points.  But those are what should defeat you against a top opponent on its game.

 

Starting right now, our path should be something like:

 

Cincinnati, KC, and Eagles or 49ers.

 

The way we have played is likely not going to be good enough to beat any of those, let alone all 3.

 

That's what's hard to take in a game like this, even with the win.

This isn't the old Bills where we are just happy to be here and hope for the best.

 

This team has been of the best, if not THE best, team in the NFL the last 3 seasons...and we have set our sights on a SB win.

 

So yeah that's lofty expectations, but with it comes lofty needs and demands! 

 

Gotta be better! 

 

 

Totally disagree with that.  Totally.

 

This game today was about so much more "wrong" than Von being out.

 

 

The problem i see is that, that is exactly what seperates a good team from a not so good team.   Not saying we dont have the potential to be a great team.   But to be a great team we cant do those things.   

[Comebackkid]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Um no.  Josh turnovers in the Red Zone is legit the only difference and those were bound to happen.  
 

Expectations contributed to how the OP feels - that we should beat everyone by 20 and Gabe Davis was supposed to have 15 TDS and 1200 yards.  
 

And that schedule confirms how tough we had it.  You don’t play the Eagles Chiefs and Bengals every week.   
 

Should have beat Minnesota.  

I never stated any expectations..dont put words in my mouth.   I just layed out some facts about the shedule we played and the results and then asked peoples opinion.   

 

This isnt a slight against the Bills.   More of a reflection from the end of the season compared to maybe midpoint in the season.   

A post i should have made last week but procrastination got in the way.  

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

51 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

Ive been thinking about this for a while now.   How good are the Bills this year??

 

Early when they were saying that we had like the 5th hardest strength of schedule we seemed kind of good compared to last year. 

If you look at how our schedule played out now im questioning that.

 

teams the bills have beat.

Rams....Record 5-12

Titans..  Record 7-10

Ravens Record 10-7  won by 3 pts

Steelers Record 9-8

Chiefs Record 14-3 good win 

Packers Record 8-9

Browns Record 7-10

Lions Record 9-8 won by 3 pts

Pats Record 8-9 won twice.   

Jets Record 7-10 only scored 20 pts 

Dolphins 9-8 won by 3 gave up 29 pts

Bears Record 3-14  good win but not saying much

 

Only the Chiefs have a dominant record follows by Ravens probably would have had Lamar not gotten injured.

Both good wins before the bye.

 

Losses

*Dolphins...  heat and injuries killed the Bills but again Dolphins finished 9-8

Jets Not much to say here... yuk

Vikings Record 13-4   Should have won this game but Bills mental issues came back to haunt them..   *Vikings lucky af this season.

 

This year has been a very wierd season.   Injuries early on.   New OC, horrible weather games and Damar near death.  

The Bills have fought tooth and nail this season to hold on after the first couple games.   They have done this while looking sloppy and poorly coached at times.

 

So whats your guys opinion?   are the Bills good this year?   

My opinion is they are not as good as we thought they were and i think that all the above reasons are to blame.   Between injuries and weather, along with Dorsey 

being a rookie, I think this has compromised thier abilty to train and focus.   

 

After today Ive got my fingers crossed and throwing salt over my shoulder.   

Two more games guys.   Bills need their mojo back. 

 

Go Bills 

 

 

Thanks man!

 

How good are the Chiefs?

 

W1 44-21 W against Cardinals

W2 27-24 W against Chargers (only won by 3 at home)

W3 17-20 L against the lowly Colts

W4 41-31 W against the 8-9 Bucs

W5 30-29 W against mediocre Raiders
W6 24-20 L at home against Buffalo

W7 44-23 W best win of year at 49ers

W8 20-17 W OT survived Titans with Willis at QB

W9 27-17 W Jags at Arrowhead

W10 30-27 W snuck by Chargers again by 3 late 

W11 26-10 W Rams with no Stafford, why didn’t they win by 20, 30?

W12 24-27 L Bengals? What happened? 
W13 34-28 W Only beat Broncos by 6?

W14 30-24 W Only beat Texans by 6 in OT?

W15 24-10 W Only scored 24? 49ers just put 41 on Seahawks?

W16 27-24 W Squeak by Broncos by 3, what happened?

W17 31-13 W Second best W of the season?

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The defense sucks. Team is good. DC wasting our talent in that side of the ball with a soft predictable gameplan every week

 

WTF are you on about? Utter nonsense. 

[BillsVet]

Skimping offensively on OL and WR takes even an excellent QB and hinders production.  That is one of the contributing causes to the quality of play from that unit.  

[Comebackkid]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Thanks man!

 

How good are the Chiefs?

 

W1 44-21 W against Cardinals

W2 27-24 W against Chargers (only won by 3 at home)

W3 17-20 L against the lowly Colts

W4 41-31 W against the 8-9 Bucs

W5 30-29 W against mediocre Raiders
W6 24-20 L at home against Buffalo

W7 44-23 W best win of year at 49ers

W8 20-17 W OT survived Titans with Willis at QB

W9 27-17 W Jags at Arrowhead

W10 30-27 W snuck by Chargers again by 3 late 

W11 26-10 W Rams with no Stafford, why didn’t they win by 20, 30?

W12 24-27 L Bengals? What happened? 
W13 34-28 W Only beat Broncos by 6?

W14 30-24 W Only beat Texans by 6 in OT?

W15 24-10 W Only scored 24? 49ers just put 41 on Seahawks?

W16 27-24 W Squeak by Broncos by 3, what happened?

W17 31-13 W Second best W of the season?

Good post!    I actually thought they havent looked as good this year.   But then you dont scrutinize other teams as closely as your own.   

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

WTF are you on about? Utter nonsense. 

We gave up 31 points at home to Skylar Thompson

[Kaenon]

1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:

Ive been thinking about this for a while now.   How good are the Bills this year??

 

Early when they were saying that we had like the 5th hardest strength of schedule we seemed kind of good compared to last year. 

If you look at how our schedule played out now im questioning that.

 

teams the bills have beat.

Rams....Record 5-12

Titans..  Record 7-10

Ravens Record 10-7  won by 3 pts

Steelers Record 9-8

Chiefs Record 14-3 good win 

Packers Record 8-9

Browns Record 7-10

Lions Record 9-8 won by 3 pts

Pats Record 8-9 won twice.   

Jets Record 7-10 only scored 20 pts 

Dolphins 9-8 won by 3 gave up 29 pts

Bears Record 3-14  good win but not saying much

 

Only the Chiefs have a dominant record follows by Ravens probably would have had Lamar not gotten injured.

Both good wins before the bye.

 

Losses

*Dolphins...  heat and injuries killed the Bills but again Dolphins finished 9-8

Jets Not much to say here... yuk

Vikings Record 13-4   Should have won this game but Bills mental issues came back to haunt them..   *Vikings lucky af this season.

 

This year has been a very wierd season.   Injuries early on.   New OC, horrible weather games and Damar near death.  

The Bills have fought tooth and nail this season to hold on after the first couple games.   They have done this while looking sloppy and poorly coached at times.

 

So whats your guys opinion?   are the Bills good this year?   

My opinion is they are not as good as we thought they were and i think that all the above reasons are to blame.   Between injuries and weather, along with Dorsey 

being a rookie, I think this has compromised thier abilty to train and focus.   

 

After today Ive got my fingers crossed and throwing salt over my shoulder.   

Two more games guys.   Bills need their mojo back. 

 

Go Bills 

 

 

 

Must be fun being a pessimist...

 

We're on an 8 game win streak, went 13-3 in regular season and lost those 3 games by a combined 8 points.

Oh, and we won our wild card playoff game today!

[Comebackkid]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We gave up 31 points at home to Skylar Thompson

I think a lot of that was the O turning the ball over and giving the dolphins a short field.  The D is kinda like the O   Lots of highs followed up with some big time lows at bad times.   

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We gave up 31 points at home to Skylar Thompson

 

Yes... 7 of them given up by the offense. Of the remaining 24 only one came from a drive the field. The others came on drives of 38, 23, 18 and 13 on short fields caused by the offense and special teams. 

 

The D had legitimately one bad drive - their second touchdown. When the Dolphins called a couple of nice plays and we whiffed tackles on the 2nd and 15. 

Edited January 15, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Xwnyer]

1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:

Ive been thinking about this for a while now.   How good are the Bills this year??

 

Early when they were saying that we had like the 5th hardest strength of schedule we seemed kind of good compared to last year. 

If you look at how our schedule played out now im questioning that.

 

teams the bills have beat.

Rams....Record 5-12

Titans..  Record 7-10

Ravens Record 10-7  won by 3 pts

Steelers Record 9-8

Chiefs Record 14-3 good win 

Packers Record 8-9

Browns Record 7-10

Lions Record 9-8 won by 3 pts

Pats Record 8-9 won twice.   

Jets Record 7-10 only scored 20 pts 

Dolphins 9-8 won by 3 gave up 29 pts

Bears Record 3-14  good win but not saying much

 

Only the Chiefs have a dominant record follows by Ravens probably would have had Lamar not gotten injured.

Both good wins before the bye.

 

Losses

*Dolphins...  heat and injuries killed the Bills but again Dolphins finished 9-8

Jets Not much to say here... yuk

Vikings Record 13-4   Should have won this game but Bills mental issues came back to haunt them..   *Vikings lucky af this season.

 

This year has been a very wierd season.   Injuries early on.   New OC, horrible weather games and Damar near death.  

The Bills have fought tooth and nail this season to hold on after the first couple games.   They have done this while looking sloppy and poorly coached at times.

 

So whats your guys opinion?   are the Bills good this year?   

My opinion is they are not as good as we thought they were and i think that all the above reasons are to blame.   Between injuries and weather, along with Dorsey 

being a rookie, I think this has compromised thier abilty to train and focus.   

 

After today Ive got my fingers crossed and throwing salt over my shoulder.   

Two more games guys.   Bills need their mojo back. 

 

Go Bills 

 

 

Josh has regressed.  Running game isn’t used enough and defense gives up to many third and long.  OC or Josh is always looking for HR ball versus dink and dunk  and time killing drives.  See the play calls up 10 11 mins left in fourth quarter two attempts to get Davis deep.

[Comebackkid]

1 minute ago, Kaenon said:

 

Must be fun being a pessimist...

 

We're on an 8 game win streak, went 13-3 in regular season and lost those 3 games by a combined 8 points.

Oh, and we won our wild card playoff game today!

who's being a pessimist?   I just asked if we were really as good (based on the end of season performance of opposing teams vs mid year)   as we thought we were.

I dont think we are...but at the same time i think we have done exceptionally well with everything the team has endured this year.   

[PromoTheRobot]

We won 14 games and lost 3 by a total of 8 points. That's how good we are. #NoStylePoints

[Baba Booey]

3 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Josh has regressed.  Running game isn’t used enough and defense gives up to many third and long.  OC or Josh is always looking for HR ball versus dink and dunk  and time killing drives.  See the play calls up 10 11 mins left in fourth quarter two attempts to get Davis deep.

Said exactly this in another thread and got killed for it. I know they’re our team but please take the rose colored glasses off and really look at this team. 

[Xwnyer]

Just now, Baba Booey said:

Said exactly this in another thread and got killed for it. I know they’re our team but please take the rose colored glasses off and really look at this team. 

Probably from the same fans predicting a 51-0 win this defense has give Josh fits this year.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Skimping offensively on OL and WR takes even an excellent QB and hinders production.  That is one of the contributing causes to the quality of play from that unit.  

 

Look I am the biggest critic of the oline but a lot of the pressure today came from cover 0 blitzes. That is mainly OC and Quarterback who have to adjust to that.... and their only answer today seemed "chuck it deep." That is kinda back where we were 3 years ago. The last two years we killed heavy blitz teams. 

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

They are not as good as last year.  Josh is not playing as well, and to me a lot of that is because we miss Daboll.  

Daboll had his games that were mind numbing as well.   I was hoping that Dorsey would bring some balance and consistency to the offense.  

instead i think Daboll left his book titled "crazy and bored"   when he left and Dorsey picked it up and ran with it. 

[Eastport bills]

Don’t overthink the quality of wins. A team has to come in to our place and win with our crowd and Josh starting to dial it up with the vertical game . Forget what made this game closer than it should have been. The interceptions were on plays that should have been receptions. The strip was on a great blitz call that killed us. Josh will learn from this and have better ball security. I think this game will benefit us and any team that comes in here will have to score 30 without benefit of some unlikely giveaways. I like our chances.

[BillsFan130]

54 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

We won’t play another defense as stacked as the fins are at DL (Philips, Chubb and Wilkins are beasts). 

Bengals D is better all around than the Fins.

 

Dolphins have a good front 4, but their linebackers and banged up secondary are a mess. (31st against the pass)

[Wraith]

Of the 14 playoff teams, the Bills had the third highest strength of victory behind the Cowboys and the Bengals. They had the 2nd best point differential in total but were first overall if you prorate since they played fewer games. The Bills are really good. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Wraith