Chargers @ Jaguars Playoff Game Thread (i.e. NOT a Bills thread;-)

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Pederson is climbing that coaching ladder. Remember he won a SB with Nick Foles!! 

The play calling in the Jags first drive of the second half was a master class in getting your QB into a rhythm. It was a 17 play 89 yard drive that consisted of runs. screen passes and short passes with YAC. Really put Lawrence in a place where he could succeed after a really rough start to the game.

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, Success said:

 

If I saw the graphic right - w/ 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter, the Jags had a 1.2% chance of winning.

 

 

Honestly, I am surprised it wasn't lower than that 

[Low Positive]

I’m really kicking myself this morning. I don’t gamble because I don’t need another vice. But I was so sure that the Jags were going to win after they scored that TD late in the second that I downloaded fan duel and was about to place a HT $50 bet on the Jags money line.  It was +2400. I stopped myself. I could be $1,200 richer this morning. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

The play calling in the Jags first drive of the second half was a master class in getting your QB into a rhythm. It was a 17 play 89 yard drive that consisted of runs. screen passes and short passes with YAC. Really put Lawrence in a place where he could succeed after a really rough start to the game.

And on the other side of the coin- the chargers first possssion: run, pass, pass, pass (to the jac 38 yardline), incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, punt.  

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

And on the other side of the coin- the chargers first possssion: run, pass, pass, pass (to the jac 38 yardline), incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, punt.  

Exactly. Up 20 points with a dynamic running back and Lombardi abandons the run. Punting from the opponent’s 38?  I think people overestimate the impact of coaching in wins and losses, but in this case Staley and Lombardi lost the game on the drive right before Pedersen won it.

[NewEra]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Exactly. Up 20 points with a dynamic running back and Lombardi abandons the run. Punting from the opponent’s 38?  I think people overestimate the impact of coaching in wins and losses, but in this case Staley and Lombardi lost the game on the drive right before Pedersen won it.

No doubt.  Coaching is the only reason I can’t blurt out “Miami has no chance today. We’re going to blow them out”.  Yes, we should blow them out, but great game plan (or a terrible game plan) can impact the result of a game as much, if not more, than the players on the field.  

[PatsFanNH]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

You brought up the comparison to Josh Allen. It's a dumb comparison so you are getting called out for it. Nobody here is threatened by Trevor Lawrence potentially being a good QB. They are just making fun of a dumb comparison you made.

Lmao no I didn’t till that message! That message was in response to the person I quoted trying compare what a second year player did to a FOURTH year player did. That is he compared Allen to Lawrence first, I just tried make it a more fair comparison.  What was dumb was the poster I quoted thinking I meant Lawrence = Allen. No what I meant was Lawrence showed more composer and ability than 90% of the NFL Starters out there. 

[Nextmanup]

49 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I’m really kicking myself this morning. I don’t gamble because I don’t need another vice. But I was so sure that the Jags were going to win after they scored that TD late in the second that I downloaded fan duel and was about to place a HT $50 bet on the Jags money line.  It was +2400. I stopped myself. I could be $1,200 richer this morning. 

Forget about it and forget about gambling altogether; it's just a form of giving your money away.

 

It amounts to an entertainment expense; you spend money, you have fun, your short lived experience is gone forever and you are out the money.  Like a nice dinner out, a football game ticket, a 7 day trip to a foreign country, etc...

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I got 18 and put a little on Jags ML😎🤙

 

I saw the Jags were +1400 ML even after scoring a TD before the half. I was tempted but I already contribute too much $$ to Draftkings. But -110 +18.5 when they were down 20, and with momentum, looked like a gimme.

[MJS]

23 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao no I didn’t till that message! That message was in response to the person I quoted trying compare what a second year player did to a FOURTH year player did. That is he compared Allen to Lawrence first, I just tried make it a more fair comparison.  What was dumb was the poster I quoted thinking I meant Lawrence = Allen. No what I meant was Lawrence showed more composer and ability than 90% of the NFL Starters out there. 

He wasn't showing much composure while throwing 4 INT's.

 

I get it. He had a good half of football. He is a good QB. He has a bright future. All that is true. Watching that game, though, was more about the Chargers collapsing than Lawrence taking over the game. This is a recurring theme for the Chargers.

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Staley gotta be one of the worst coaches in history 

 

Reminds me of Chuck Pagano. Says all the right things at press conferences, seems like a decent guy, but ultimately his teams play far below their talent level on gameday. I'll be shocked if Sean Payton isn't there next year. Maybe someone in that division will finally push KC.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Not going to lie, that comeback meant that I hit on a +750 parley. Thanks Trevor Lawrence! 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

JuJu and MVS are not scrubs. But they are JAGs. There is nothing special about either of them. JuJu is at best a low end #2... MVS is a #3 with poor hands.

 

How on earth do you define "low end #2"?  And then what places Tik Tok Boy into that category in your eyes?

 

I'll hang up and listen.

 

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Another crazy comeback in a season that had its share. The Jags deserve credit, but it also speaks to the low quality of play we’ve seen. It takes a lot of mistakes to give up that sort of lead. There’s too much bad coaching in this league, and we’re seeing the results. Teams don’t even attempt to control the clock with big leads, and this stubborn insistence on running a specific system is resulting in big comebacks. 

 

I don't remember the exact numbers but the Chargers ran something like 25 pass plays to 9 running plays after going up 27-0. To be fair the Bills lost the Vikings game for a similar reason. The whole NFL has gone way overboard with this super aggressive mindset. Coaches no longer trust themselves to play the game the right way, they worry that if they punt one time too many they'll be fired into the sun by the media. People have rightly given credit to Doug Pederson for going for 2 after the penalty, but near the end of the first half he also punted on a 4th and 2 from the Jacksonville 36 while down 27 points. Some coaches would have gone for it there but Pederson didn't panic. They pinned the Chargers deep, got the ball back, and scored on every single ensuing drive after that. I don't want my coach being aggressive OR conservative by nature. Just let the game come to you and make sensible decisions in the moment. That was the difference in this game.

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by HappyDays

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is a horrible analysis from top to bottom.

 

Okay

[JerseyBills]

27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I saw the Jags were +1400 ML even after scoring a TD before the half. I was tempted but I already contribute too much $$ to Draftkings. But -110 +18.5 when they were down 20, and with momentum, looked like a gimme.

I put 20 and won 330 on the ML

 

I was very close to doing it when it was 27 0. It was like +2000

[EasternOHBillsFan]

52 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Forget about it and forget about gambling altogether; it's just a form of giving your money away.

 

It amounts to an entertainment expense; you spend money, you have fun, your short lived experience is gone forever and you are out the money.  Like a nice dinner out, a football game ticket, a 7 day trip to a foreign country, etc...

 

 

 

LMAO

 

Seriously? People can do both, you know... and it's not giving your money away if you win more than you lose.

 

So you don't have a single pleasure that you spend money on like gambling or smoking or drinking? That's not living, that's existing.

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

How on earth do you define "low end #2"?  And then what places Tik Tok Boy into that category in your eyes?

 

I'll hang up and listen.

 

 

To me a low end #2 is a guy who nobody is gameplanning for. And that is how I see JuJu. He can catch balls, he can make plays, but nobody is having a specific plan for him they are just playing their defense. 

[SirAndrew]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't remember the exact numbers but the Chargers ran something like 25 pass plays to 9 running plays after going up 27-0. To be fair the Bills lost the Vikings game for a similar reason. The whole NFL has gone way overboard with this super aggressive mindset. Coaches no longer trust themselves to play the game the right way, they worry that if they punt one time too many they'll be fired into the sun by the media. People have rightly given credit to Doug Pederson for going for 2 after the penalty, but near the end of the first half he also punted on a 4th and 2 from the Jacksonville 36 while down 27 points. Some coaches would have gone for it there but Pederson didn't panic. They pinned the Chargers deep, got the ball back, and scored on every single ensuing drive after that. I don't want my coach being aggressive OR conservative by nature. Just let the game come to you and make sensible decisions in the moment. That was the difference in this game.

 

I couldn’t agree more, it’s not about being stubbornly conservative or aggressive, coaches need to have a feel for the game. I lean towards being aggressive, and don’t like to criticize aggressive play calling, regardless of the outcome. However, there’s times when aggressive coaching doesn’t make sense. That’s what’s gotten lost over the past few years. There’s no mathematical formula that can accurately predict wins or losses, but I assume a run heavy offense with a huge lead significantly decreases the odds of a comeback. The clock is a big part of the game, and limited time makes comebacks impossible, yet coaches don’t seem to get it. 

[Barnaby Wilde]

Trever Lawrence rose from the gridiron dead.  What a performance by the whole team.  Correct me if I'm wrong but if Bills win today, that means Jags go to KC?