Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, NoSaint said:

The MLB drop off is substantial 

 

VM acl is a massive hit. Just huge.

 

poyer and Hyde a year older 

morse on shakier footing 

 

I’ll say I was much higher on tre coming back elite this time last year. 
 

And inevitably on April it’s easy to celebrate sherfield rapp and Harty. We did it with crowder, saffold and oj Howard. 
 

it’s real easy to be in the honeymoon phase now, and forget that you had the honeymoon phase with all your exes also 

Good points but I think you’re overlooking the depth moves on the whole. Age certainty factors in. Crowder got hurt and OJ was a flyer. Agree that Saffold didn’t work out.

 

Rapp was a starter that’s big upgrade. OL depth is younger and better. Kincaid is game changer. But we can agree to disagree. 

[BananaB]

15 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I’m comparing last years roster to this years roster. Explain where the Bills are worse ? We lost our MLB who signed for $18m so that’s a loss. Oh and back up QB might be a net loss.

 

1. Add depth at WR improving both slot and outside. We add a top 10 evaluated game changer at TE who will create match up issues.

2. OL added starters at OG providing more skill and depth in case of injuries. Need more OT depth but that may come. 
3. S depth with Rapp so if we lose 1 or 2 S’s we have he and not a slow J.J. on the field. 

I’ll wait for your explanation of how the Bills are worse. 

We add olineman in FA every year and at the end of the season we are still complaining about the oline. Until they prove it on the field we don’t know. 
 

The WRs we have added are not proven players, just guys that showed a little. Same thing we did with Lil’Dirty and Gabe, just these guys probably won’t leaned on as heavily. 
 

We are not sure when and how healthy Miller will be this season? Will Tre even get back to old form?  The best thing we have going for us is having people back but some are question marks. 
 

There is nothing really we did that tells me we improved but there is still that gaping hole at MLB that has not been filled. 
 

If every team around you is improving and you’re not it’s gonna show on the field on Sundays. 

[NoSaint]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

Good points but I think you’re overlooking the depth moves on the whole. Age certainty factors in. Crowder got hurt and OJ was a flyer. Agree that Saffold didn’t work out.

 

Rapp was a starter that’s big upgrade. OL depth is younger and better. Kincaid is game changer. But we can agree to disagree. 

 

points of information: 

 

No one in the league found him to be starting quality for their team this year, so he’s a backup with experience more aptly described 

 

Kincaid could be a game changer. How many games did Oliver, Elam or Rousseau change their rookie years? Kincaids slotted up to be a role playing package player. I like him a lots but his year one contribution has a wide range. How many total catches are you projecting in your gamechanger forecast for him for instance? 

[QLBillsFan]

45 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

points of information: 

 

No one in the league found him to be starting quality for their team this year, so he’s a backup with experience more aptly described 

 

Kincaid could be a game changer. How many games did Oliver, Elam or Rousseau change their rookie years? Kincaids slotted up to be a role playing package player. I like him a lots but his year one contribution has a wide range. How many total catches are you projecting in your gamechanger forecast for him for instance? 

He’s a game changer in that D will have to go nickel when Bills are in 12. This creates space for all others as he spreads the field will open the middle and cause lbs or s to cover him. Additionally, the run game now enhanced with a mauling guard opens up cook vs nickel. Along with red zone advantages. So yes he’s a game changer per just about any NFL person you listen to. 
Rapp like Poyer had a lower value than he expected. But he’s a great 3rd safety. The question isn’t what other teams did. Does Rapp make S depth better ? Yes.

Interesting while I provide objections reactions to your points (some of which are valid) you position this conversation in the negative about this roster. The facts suggest it’s a better roster. But time will tell 🍻 

52 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

points of information: 

 

No one in the league found him to be starting quality for their team this year, so he’s a backup with experience more aptly described 

 

Kincaid could be a game changer. How many games did Oliver, Elam or Rousseau change their rookie years? Kincaids slotted up to be a role playing package player. I like him a lots but his year one contribution has a wide range. How many total catches are you projecting in your gamechanger forecast for him for instance? 

Again it’s about how the D must now react to the Bills. I expect he will be 3rd in receptions by year end. 

[Dillenger4]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

 

I’ll just reply to both of you since @Dillenger4is probably your 138th profile on here. 
 

 

McKenzies career:

-141 receptions for an average of 23.5 per year

-1345 yards for an average of 224 per year

-11 TDs for an average of 1.83 per year

-Missed 24 games over 6 seasons for an average of 4 a year

 

Hartys career:

-64 receptions for an average of 16 per year

-793 yards for an average of 198 per year

-4 TDs for an average of 1 a year

-Missed 26 games over 4 years for an average of 6.5 a year

 

so he’s statistically over his career averaged less receptions. Less yards. Less TDs. His yearly bests aren’t as good as McKenzies in receptions for TDs. He has had more yards once in career. 
 

he has been consistently missed more games every season for to injury. Even though not all of McKenzies games were missed due to injury. A few of them were missed because he was in McClappys doghouse after some bad tweets. 
 

yet Harry is 100% better than McKenzie. Got it. Yeah. Makes all the sense in the world. Yet you are the ones saying that I’m trolling and questioning my intelligence. 
 

here’s a hint. Simple math is hard. Especially when you chow down on the latest color blue in the crayola pack. 
 

with all that said I’m happy McKenzie is off this team. He was wasted. He was never a slot WR. He was a gadget player and they didn’t allow him enough plays last season at that. They tried to used him in a way that doesn’t suit his skill set best. 
 

with all that said I am more excited about Harry being on this team. He likely does have more upside. But let’s call it what it is. There’s no factual evidence that he is better or will ever be better. Or more available. Yet you (2) want to argue against facts. 
 

again, just call it what it is. Hope that he will be better than McKenzie. 
 

either way, you (both) can put me on ignore if you don’t like my opinions. I’m sure you aren’t the only ones. 

Yes, Harty is 100% better than Mckenzie.

[rafter]

If we are going to factor in vets getting older, you have to consider young players getting experience and developing.

 

I think the roster gained in some areas and lost in others. Overall id grade it close to last year.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

So for sure never enjoy a honeymoon phase. Let's just cut to the disillusionment. What a way to live.

I mean, have fun with it if that’s what makes you happy but maybe don’t solicit opinions if not wanting opinions

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, have fun with it if that’s what makes you happy but maybe don’t solicit opinions if not wanting opinions

I didn't ask for or comment on your opinions, just the general principle.

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Hmm we have lost Edmunds. Get back Hyde a healthy  💯 TW along with both DT’s who didn’t play vs Cinn.. an upgraded OL along with an explosive slot TE .. depth at WR and Von for the final push. Can’t say I agree the roster is worse. 

I think the roster is better than last season already. Injuries aside. We lost 1 starter, likely upgraded both G spots and slot

[ndirish1978]

I actually heard a take on a podcast recently that I hadn't thought about and it made me change my mind about this trade being a possibility this year. Take went like this: Steve Bidwill is one of the stingiest owners in the league (charges players for drinks and meals) and their team is not winning anything this year. They said just from a dollars and cents perspective they didn't believe there was any chance that he would want to fork over this type of cash on a player if he could avoid it. I found that interesting and wanted to share. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, QLBillsFan said:

He’s a game changer in that D will have to go nickel when Bills are in 12. This creates space for all others as he spreads the field will open the middle and cause lbs or s to cover him. Additionally, the run game now enhanced with a mauling guard opens up cook vs nickel. Along with red zone advantages. So yes he’s a game changer per just about any NFL person you listen to. 
Rapp like Poyer had a lower value than he expected. But he’s a great 3rd safety. The question isn’t what other teams did. Does Rapp make S depth better ? Yes.

Interesting while I provide objections reactions to your points (some of which are valid) you position this conversation in the negative about this roster. The facts suggest it’s a better roster. But time will tell 🍻 

Again it’s about how the D must now react to the Bills. I expect he will be 3rd in receptions by year end. 

 

with our most impactful defensive player substantially injured, and our mlb unreplaced, you are pointing out Rapp.
 

Would you agree our defense, on paper, is worse today than last year (with the hope that tre can close that gap some by closing the gap from his play post injury to pre injury)((but also risk in Hyde coming back and poyer holding up)) ? 
 

 

would you say that there were talks of Oliver being a game changer, and Rousseau being a game changer, and Elam being a plug and play starting corner? 

Edited April 29, 2023 by NoSaint

[QLBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

with our most impactful defensive player substantially injured, and our mlb unreplaced, you are pointing out Rapp.
 

Would you agree our defense, on paper, is worse today than last year (with the hope that tre can close that gap some by closing the gap from his play post injury to pre injury)((but also risk in Hyde coming back and poyer holding up)) ? 
 

 

would you say that there were talks of Oliver being a game changer, and Rousseau being a game changer, and Elam being a plug and play starting corner? 

I have agreed on mlb and Von. You discount Trey back at 💯.. did you watch our 4th S last year ? TE was great against the pass not so much against the run. The game changer be placed on the 3 players are your words not mine. Elam likely shows improvement in year 2. That’s a very common thing in the NFL particularly at CB. So we are worse at MLB and Von is a ? to some degree. 
Offense has improved. In a league where the SB was 38-35. I’ll take improvements on O vs some drop off on D. The game changer moniker was given to Kincaid and I’ve described multiple times what he brings. You refuse to listen so that’s on you. The IOL has upgraded with both skill and depth so if Morse or a guard goes down we are solid. RT has to get better and a healthy SB pushed by Doyle is possible for improvement. All with a top 5 QB who now will have both more time and options. And alignments and personnel that should improve the run game. Comical that you refuse to agree with these facts. We shall see what s massive loss is with TE or not? I’m glad we chose MM over him. 
Have other teams improved ? Yes that’s what happens when they are bad. Jets and Phins are on the way up-Pats not so sure. Your point was the roster is worse and I disagree. We are overall improved based on the O in the hands of Josh Allen. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Offer our 3 & 6 in 2024 for DHop? Since we have an extra pick in each round

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Offer our 3 & 6 in 2024 for DHop? Since we have an extra pick in each round

That will trade him to us …in 2024 ..

 

May have had to give them that this year 

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Offer our 3 & 6 in 2024 for DHop? Since we have an extra pick in each round

 

I mean, I'd be fine with it. But at this point, I think Hopkins will have to force his way off the team for it to happen.

 

Pretty clear to me between Arizona's GM's words and actions (as well as their solid cap situation even with his contract) that they don't want to trade him. 

 

And with the additions of Kincaid in Round 1 (a TE in name only), Harty, Sherfield, and Shorter - Beane may feel comfortable with our Pass Catchers at this point.

Edited April 29, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

Make that 10 picks next year.  Interesting

[Mr. WEO]

This thread only has any real meaning any more....to get to 300. 

[jaybills]

36 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

That will trade him to us …in 2024 ..

 

May have had to give them that this year 

We probably won't want him next year. 

[Aussie Joe]

14 minutes ago, jaybills said:

We probably won't want him next year. 

they don’t seem to want him this year either 

[Mr. WEO]

This trade neve made sense.  They gonna take away 75+ targets from Diggs and he's good with that??

Come on...