BillsFanForever19 Posted April 5, 2023 Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Spoiler alert: The bills aren’t trading for him. 4 hours ago, gordong said: sorry man just being real... hey I would love for it to happen but I just think that ship has sailed. Right now, I feel Beane's mindset is "on to the Draft". I imagine he had his conversation with Arizona and maybe Hopkins, realized that what they were willing to pay didn't match up with one or both of them wanted and that was that. I think the only way it happens is if Arizona taps out and concedes to giving him away AND Hopkins is willing to rip up his contract and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. Or they release him and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. I don't see either option as likely. Like I said, I think he's focusing on the Draft right now. If the board falls in a way he can get a WR he loves, I think he pulls the trigger. If it doesn't, I think he circles back to OBJ or trades. Edited April 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19
Mikie2times Posted April 5, 2023 Posted April 5, 2023 7 hours ago, mrags said: 100%. Burrow, Higgins, and Chase all on rookie deals. They will feel the shock soon. Burrow will be paid as the biggest contract in NFL history when his deal gets done. Chase may be looking for highest paid WR ever. And Higgins will make more than Diggs is currently making when his deal is done. There zero chance that Cinci can keep them all. Even bigger, Mike Brown is not rich by NFL owners standards. So using the whole cash to cap method for the Bengals just isn't possible. They're very similar to the Ralph Wilson era Bills. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of this all they have is Burrows. That said, just like Buffalo, having the elite QB will be enough of a threat. 1
DCofNC Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I think it's realistic that if our 1st round graded players are gone at 27, we could see something like this: #27 2024 Conditional 3rd, 2nd if AFC Champ, 1st if SB For Hopkins #34 7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I think it's realistic that if our 1st round graded players are gone at 27, we could see something like this: #27 2024 Conditional 3rd, 2nd if AFC Champ, 1st if SB For Hopkins #34 I don’t mind that, but I wouldn’t give up a first next year for him in the deal, upto, but no more than a second.
Buffalo716 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: Even bigger, Mike Brown is not rich by NFL owners standards. So using the whole cash to cap method for the Bengals just isn't possible. They're very similar to the Ralph Wilson era Bills. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of this all they have is Burrows. That said, just like Buffalo, having the elite QB will be enough of a threat. Ralph Wilson made Tons of Bills the highest paid In the league The 90s teams were called the million dollar bills he was spending so much his problem was he didn’t always sign the right guys … the dude made OJ the highest , Jimbo the highest, Bruce the highest … made Derrick Dockery the highest paid guard in the nfl decisions like the last hurt the team … but he spent 3
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I don’t mind that, but I wouldn’t give up a first next year for him in the deal, upto, but no more than a second. Absolutely. In no way do we give up a 1st plus for a 31 year old WR. Not to mention, that's not how trade conditions work. They're met by individual performance, snap counts, and availability - not by team performance. In this scenario, Hopkins could blow out his knee Week 1, contribute nothing, and then we'd be on the hook for a 1st if they made the Super Bowl without him. Edited April 6, 2023 by BillsFanForever19
Mikie2times Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ralph Wilson made Tons of Bills the highest paid In the league The 90s teams were called the million dollar bills he was spending so much his problem was he didn’t always sign the right guys … the dude made OJ the highest , Jimbo the highest, Bruce the highest … made Derrick Dockery the highest paid guard in the nfl decisions like the last hurt the team … but he spent I didn't say Ralph didn't spend. He did sometimes and he didn't others. I said he was not a rich NFL owner. Also, like Brown, he became wealthy based on the team. Terry is in a much different position and I think anybody would agree that the way we spend now is just different. We are converting salary to bonus, paying huge sums in chunk money up front to free cap space. All luxuries very wealthy owners can employ, Brown and Ralph were never in that category. Edited April 6, 2023 by KzooMike 2
papazoid Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 Sports Illustrated NFL Insider Albert Breer now thinks there’s a chance Hopkins will be cut by the Cardinals. ” potential suitors believe the Cardinals will wind up cutting their 30-year-old star receiver because his age and his contract make him hard to move.” Breer also mentioned that one team has been given permission by the Cardinals to talk with Hopkins, but the identity of the team wasn’t revealed. https://www.yahoo.com/news/national-nfl-writer-outlines-needs-141330238.html
Aussie Joe Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I think it's realistic that if our 1st round graded players are gone at 27, we could see something like this: #27 2024 Conditional 3rd, 2nd if AFC Champ, 1st if SB For Hopkins #34 Arizona might not have any 1st round graded players left at 27 to want to trade up for either … Edited April 6, 2023 by Aussie Joe
Buffalo03 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 17 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Right now, I feel Beane's mindset is "on to the Draft". I imagine he had his conversation with Arizona and maybe Hopkins, realized that what they were willing to pay didn't match up with one or both of them wanted and that was that. I think the only way it happens is if Arizona taps out and concedes to giving him away AND Hopkins is willing to rip up his contract and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. Or they release him and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. I don't see either option as likely. Like I said, I think he's focusing on the Draft right now. If the board falls in a way he can get a WR he loves, I think he pulls the trigger. If it doesn't, I think he circles back to OBJ or trades. I don't think Beane calls back. But come draft day, if the board doesn't fall our way, the Cardinals may call back and wanna play ball
The 9 Isles Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 Contract an impediment to get a trade done says Cards GM. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/06/steve-keim-on-deandre-hopkins-the-problem-is-his-current-contract/ not sure he’s worth the trouble and especially the cost. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said: Contract an impediment to get a trade done says Cards GM. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/06/steve-keim-on-deandre-hopkins-the-problem-is-his-current-contract/ not sure he’s worth the trouble and especially the cost. That's from the Former Cardinals GM, not the current one. And it's obvious that his contract is a major hurdle. But the other thing that makes it a downright impossibility is the Cardinals asking price. He says given the contract and his age, they're probably only going to get a 3rd day pick. Which is true. However, they are reportedly asking for a "Christian McCaffrey package". That's not going to happen.
mrags Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That's from the Former Cardinals GM, not the current one. And it's obvious that his contract is a major hurdle. But the other thing that makes it a downright impossibility is the Cardinals asking price. He says given the contract and his age, they're probably only going to get a 3rd day pick. Which is true. However, they are reportedly asking for a "Christian McCaffrey package". That's not going to happen. This is what makes sense. If they want a Christian McCaffrey type package they would be expected to eat some or much of the salary. If they don’t want to eat the salary they likely get a day 3 pick out of the deal. fwiw they were talking about it on WGR the other day I think. Someone said the Cards previous Gm has contacted the league/Goodell with some issues with the owner and the HC this past season. Something about the Gm was suspended for 5 weeks and the owner made them all is burner phones to communicate while he was suspended. Said he still us the burner phone for evidence. not sure what cheating was going on or anything but it was an abuse of league rules to the suspension. So you might actually see the Cards be reprimanded in some form or another. Possibly loss of a draft pick somewhere. If that happens you could see the current Gm make a play to recoup any picks that were lost by making a trade. Maybe a 3rd round or something like that. Idk. Just passing on the info I heard. 1
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, mrags said: This is what makes sense. If they want a Christian McCaffrey type package they would be expected to eat some or much of the salary. If they don’t want to eat the salary they likely get a day 3 pick out of the deal. fwiw they were talking about it on WGR the other day I think. Someone said the Cards previous Gm has contacted the league/Goodell with some issues with the owner and the HC this past season. Something about the Gm was suspended for 5 weeks and the owner made them all is burner phones to communicate while he was suspended. Said he still us the burner phone for evidence. not sure what cheating was going on or anything but it was an abuse of league rules to the suspension. So you might actually see the Cards be reprimanded in some form or another. Possibly loss of a draft pick somewhere. If that happens you could see the current Gm make a play to recoup any picks that were lost by making a trade. Maybe a 3rd round or something like that. Idk. Just passing on the info I heard. https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/05/steve-wilkss-lawsuit-against-cardinals-says-there-is-evidence-steve-keim-was-involved-during-his-so-called-suspension/amp/
The Wiz Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That's from the Former Cardinals GM, not the current one. And it's obvious that his contract is a major hurdle. But the other thing that makes it a downright impossibility is the Cardinals asking price. He says given the contract and his age, they're probably only going to get a 3rd day pick. Which is true. However, they are reportedly asking for a "Christian McCaffrey package". That's not going to happen. Give Cleveland some time. They like offering stupid deals. 3
3rdand12 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 22 hours ago, gobilz said: Tiresome and yet ..... here we are Like the older but productive still DE pass rushers listed in another thread (and ty) Nothing will likely occur till after the draft for these Veteran players that have previous big $ associated. 200 posts will come . I believe in Us
JohnNord Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 Remember when so many people believe the random “ErieCountyBills” account that said the Bills were trading for Hopkins 🤣🤣🤣 I tried telling you it was BS…some of you just want to be lied to 1
HamSandwhich Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Remember when so many people believe the random “ErieCountyBills” account that said the Bills were trading for Hopkins 🤣🤣🤣 I tried telling you it was BS…some of you just want to be lied to It ain’t over
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Remember when so many people believe the random “ErieCountyBills” account that said the Bills were trading for Hopkins 🤣🤣🤣 I tried telling you it was BS…some of you just want to be lied to NO. He never said that. He said we are interested / the leader / negotiating Aaron Wilson (a legit NFL reporter) reported the same things a few days after “Erie County Bulls” originally did Edited April 6, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 1
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