Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[90sBills]

20 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think you were just coming out negative more than anything.. Again the issue is... people around here are warry of new accounts   Take a deep breath man. take time to read other posts and think about it instead of knee jerk reactions

 

anyhow  

 

cheers

Breathing deeply now. 😂 

 

Hey just doing my part for this thread until Bills trade Davis for DHop straight up. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

You are right.  What the board should probably do is to simply not have thread titles at all.

I take thread titles to be indicative of the central theme with the likelihood that numerous extraneous conversations will intrude. When something really happens or is rumored to be happening, the collective will focus. Otherwise, they are going to wander.

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

They also hit on Nick Bolton and Willie Gay at LBs. Sneed and Mcduffie at CBs. Thornhill and Cook at safeties. I think they hit on quite a bit. That’s why I’m puzzled as to how McD can’t do this being a defensive guru.

 

I agree with what you say about McDermott.  He’s been given an enormous amount of resources, and unlike the Chiefs, the defense dominates in the regular season and is meh to bad in the postseason. 
 

The reason I don’t list guys like Bolton, Thornhill etc., is because if Chris Jones gets hurt, their defense would get wrecked by a good offense.   Similar to what we saw without Von Miller.  
 

You need good coaching and a couple elite game-changers.  All the “good” defenders in the world can’t stop a great offense that’s locked in, without a game-wrecker or two up front.  
 

The Chiefs have Spags and Jones.  They’ve also made sure they have a Frank Clark or Melvin Ingram.  
 

It’s why I don’t understand the angst over MLB.  Making sure we have some game-wreckers on the DL is far more important than Jack Campbell at MLB… what’s he gonna do against the Chiefs or Bengals if Von is out?  Nothing. 
 

Now Drew Sanders can rush the passer… I’m intrigued by him.  
 

 

Edited April 2, 2023 by SCBills

[Goin Breakdown]

This thread is a nasty habit. The thing that really hooked me was Stevie Johnson saying "Hop was on his way". 

[90sBills]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I agree with what you say about McDermott.  He’s been given an enormous amount of resources, and unlike the Chiefs, the defense dominates in the regular season and is meh to bad in the postseason. 
 

The reason I don’t list guys like Bolton, Thornhill etc., is because if Chris Jones gets hurt, their defense would get wrecked by a good offense.   Similar to what we saw without Von Miller.  
 

You need good coaching and a couple elite game-changers.  All the “good” defenders in the world can’t stop a great offense that’s locked in, without a game-wrecker or two up front.  
 

The Chiefs have Spags and Jones.  They’ve also made sure they have a Frank Clark or Melvin Ingram.  
 

It’s why I don’t understand the angst over MLB.  Making sure we have some game-wreckers on the DL is far more important than Jack Campbell at MLB… what’s he gonna do against the Chiefs or Bengals if Von is out?  Nothing. 
 

Now Drew Sanders can rush the passer… I’m intrigued by him.  
 

 

Yeah agree about Jones. He’s their big impact player. Line play on both sides determine so much of the game. Von was so good in that game against KC. It was probably his best showing against Mahomes. Hopefully he can come back to be the same player. Finding a few more contributors on DL would go a long way next season. That’s why I wasn’t too excited when the defense ranked high during the regular season. I don’t think a true dominant defense exists in today’s NFL. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Does talking include visiting and physical?

 

Honestly questioning.

 

Normally, trades are completed after the physical examination is completed and the player is cleared but the deal is usually already announced prior to that.

I'm not sure how it works. Just funny that he's visiting Toronto this time of year. Diggs put out the "perfect timing" tweet. Now I'm seeing the "rescue me" tweet as well. Just doing my inner Encyclopedia Brown 😂

[ExWNYer]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This thread is a nasty habit. The thing that really hooked me was Stevie Johnson saying "Hop was on his way". 

 

An obvious reference to the Easter Bunny.

 

[Goin Breakdown]

4 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

An obvious reference to the Easter Bunny.

 

Haha. Nothin gets past you!

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I agree with what you say about McDermott.  He’s been given an enormous amount of resources, and unlike the Chiefs, the defense dominates in the regular season and is meh to bad in the postseason. 
 

The reason I don’t list guys like Bolton, Thornhill etc., is because if Chris Jones gets hurt, their defense would get wrecked by a good offense.   Similar to what we saw without Von Miller.  
 

You need good coaching and a couple elite game-changers.  All the “good” defenders in the world can’t stop a great offense that’s locked in, without a game-wrecker or two up front.  
 

The Chiefs have Spags and Jones.  They’ve also made sure they have a Frank Clark or Melvin Ingram.  
 

It’s why I don’t understand the angst over MLB.  Making sure we have some game-wreckers on the DL is far more important than Jack Campbell at MLB… what’s he gonna do against the Chiefs or Bengals if Von is out?  Nothing. 
 

Now Drew Sanders can rush the passer… I’m intrigued by him.  
 

 

 

Agree with this. And not just Jones/Spags, but more specifically the mindset and awareness to GET AFTER THE QB. Spags aggressiveness has been proven time and time again in post season play. See Giants vs Pats and now KC - twice.

 

In today's NFL you do not have a great D, just one that understands the premium of disrupting the oppositions QB in timely and creative ways.

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Even then, Mahomes has a superior oline and Andy Reid. And the Chiefs do get timely calls. They are now that team the way it used to be the Pats*. This is a combination of favored status as a marquee franchise with a superlative qb and coach and zebra incompetency. Allen is asked to play superhuman for the Bills to win and as the stakes are ratcheted up, the weight of that ask increases exponentially. I don't grant your premise. Bills have a porous oline, Ken Dorsey on a learning curve and unproven, along with a defensive-minded coaching staff that routinely falls flat in the postseason synchronous with an era where the league is set up for offense to win championships.

Such a good post. 👍

[Mr. WEO]

20 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

In the Bengals Chiefs game Mahomes was kinda average as well. The difference is his defense only allowed the Bengals 20 total points. 
The three times the Bills were within one score in the Bengals game 7-0, 14-7, 17-10 the defense gave up a score on the very next possession. 

Cause as Greg Cosell and Chris Simms have consistently pointed out he’s asked to do more than any qb they’ve ever seen cause the GM and Coach have a bug for being defense first people.  

 

I guess neither of those 2 noticed Lamar Jackson in 2019 and Russel Wilson in 2018.  

 

come on...

[BillsFanForever19]

46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The dreaded 187 page…thread is dead.  
 

 

Deader than the idea we're going to trade for Hopkins. 

 

It was fun for a couple days when he made his post and the "reports" came out. 

 

I'd bet we made a call when it was initially being reported that they'd essentially have to give him away. But when we called and found out the actual cost, which was more than was ever reported before, Beane said "cool, nice talk" and that was that.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Deader than the idea we're going to trade for Hopkins. 

 

It was fun for a couple days when he made his post and the "reports" came out. 

 

I'd bet we made a call when it was initially being reported that they'd essentially have to give him away. But when we called and found out the actual cost, which was more than was ever reported before, Beane said "cool, nice talk" and that was that.

I think there was probably more than that going on. 

[starrymessenger]

I think the Bills may well land Hop but I doubt anything happens before the draft. For sure Zona is going to move him but they have yet to get serious. They will have to eat some of that contract question remaining is just how much. Getting Hop would fit with Beane’s direction in FA. He’s gone after veteran players who he probably feels are better playmakers than we’ve had. That drift began with NH for Moss in 2022.

There is not one alpha stud receiver in this draft class, no Julio Jones who you can be sure can contribute in that high profile role right away so again I wouldn’t be surprised if Beane looked to FA for the #2 receiver he needs to continue his transformation of this offence. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

10 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I think the Bills may well land Hop but I doubt anything happens before the draft. For sure Zona is going to move him but they have yet to get serious. They will have to eat some of that contract question remaining is just how much. Getting Hop would fit with Beane’s direction in FA. He’s gone after veteran players who he probably feels are better playmakers than we’ve had. That drift began with NH for Moss in 2022.

There is not one alpha stud receiver in this draft class, no Julio Jones who you can be sure can contribute in that high profile role right away so again I wouldn’t be surprised if Beane looked to FA for the #2 receiver he needs to continue his transformation of this offence. 

I disagree in that I think there are a few guys in round 1 who can be WR2/3 right away, which is all we really need - another top 3 WR who is ideally a great WR2. 

 

I agree with you in that I bet Beane sits to see if any of his guys make it to 27 before pulling the trigger on a Hopkins trade. 

[GoBills!]

DHOP signed yet? We are so close to 200 pages....Heard he is going to the raiders now lol

 

[78thealltimegreat]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I guess neither of those 2 noticed Lamar Jackson in 2019 and Russel Wilson in 2018.  

 

come on...

That’s why they get paid to this for a living. 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

I think there was probably more than that going on. 

 

I don't. It was Wednesday when everyone started connecting dots and "reporters" started reporting we were in. By early Friday morning, a Chiefs beat reporter had reported the price was too high and that the Chiefs and the entire league were out. Later on Friday, an ESPN reporter stated that they were looking for a "Christian McCaffrey like trade package".

 

Then it was silence. Followed by Brandon Beane saying that when you hear we're in on stuff on Social Media, we've probably only done about 1% of the work that's reported. 

 

Beane has often said when he calls to check on things, if the price is too high, that's that. Clearly, if he called, he'd have heard what they were asking and that would be the end of that. We would not and could not come anywhere near that. Given our cap situation, the holes we have to fill, and the draft capital we have.

Edited April 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[mrags]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I don't. It was Wednesday when everyone started connecting dots and "reporters" started reporting we were in. By early Friday morning, a Chiefs beat reporter had reported the price was too high and that the Chiefs and the entire league were out. Later on Friday, an ESPN reporter stated that they were looking for a "Christian McCaffrey like trade package".

 

Then it was silence. Followed by Brandon Beane saying that when you hear we're in on stuff on Social Media, we've probably only done about 1% of the work that's reported. 

 

Beane has often said when he calls to check on things, if the price is too high, that's that. Clearly, if he called, he'd have heard what they were asking and that would be the end of that. We would not and could not come anywhere near that.

He’s been in on just about every available WR going back to last year. They resigned Bease and Brown when they knew they didn’t have the wheels to keep the O churning. They were “in” on OBJ until they realized he wasn’t ready last season. They’ve picked up 2 FAs so far and have been talked about with every other FA WR worth a damn. I’d say they did more than ask. 

[BillsFanForever19]

17 minutes ago, mrags said:

He’s been in on just about every available WR going back to last year. They resigned Bease and Brown when they knew they didn’t have the wheels to keep the O churning. They were “in” on OBJ until they realized he wasn’t ready last season. They’ve picked up 2 FAs so far and have been talked about with every other FA WR worth a damn. I’d say they did more than ask. 

 

"In" can be simply calling. Which I haven't denied they did. But you're implying there was more to it than that and I just don't see it. The disparity between what AZ is asking and what we can afford and/or be interested in doing given our circumstances is too great for me to believe it was anything more than that.

 

If there was a chance, Beane wouldn't have said what he said and Tim Graham wouldn't have reported what he reported. I also wouldn't point to us bringing back Smoke and Bease and talking to OBJ as "we've been in on every WR". There's tons of FA's that have signed this offseason that I'm sure we haven't talked to.