Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[newcam2012]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

And DaBoll was never out coached?   

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

Dorsey was clearly learning on the job. The offense had no identity. Dorsey was unable to call complimentary plays. No play set up a future play. It was basically one play call at a time. 

 

Often, he abondamed the running game without just cause. Look how the RBs were utilized in the passing game. Zero, nada, goose eggs for the most part. McKenzie's skill set never in play. The list goes on and on. 

 

Dorsey hurt the Bills chances rather then helping them. 

 

The offensive stats look good because Allen is that good. Not because of innovative and creative Dorsey schemes and plays. Come playoff time the Bills offense was predictable. Same game plan we've seen in years. Blitz and pressure Allen and double Diggs. Yet, Buffalo had little answers once again. At the very least, they didn't have enough answers. 

 

On a positive not, Dorsey has a year under his belt and still had Allen. Frustrating to see wasted opportunities due to weak coachibg, game plans, and poor in game adjustments. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

[Gregg]

14 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Daboll is an experienced OC while Dorsey just completed his 1st year as OC. Daboll's first OC job came in 2009 with Cleveland and he failed, posting the 32nd & 29th ranked offenses in his 2 years there. Then Miami, failed, then KC and failed again. He was the OC for 3 different teams in 4 years, all resulting in him being let go. His first real success as an OC didn't come until 8 years after he first became an OC and it wasn't in the NFL, it was with Alabama in 2017 when they won the national championship. 

 

 Secondly you say Daboll brought out the best in Allen, while Dorsey failed to do so. If we are going by the 2020 season only, sure. But Josh threw more ints in 2021, under Daboll, than he did under Dorsey this past year. Josh also had a better QB Rating and QBR this past year over 2021 and his ypa increased by almost a full yard. Even though Daboll had the experience over Dorsey and Josh being injured this year vs healthy in 2021.

 

 Lastly, using Daniel Jones as an example on how he makes QBs better and a winner is laughable. What Jones was asked to do this past year was similar to what Allen was asked to do in 2019, don't lose the game for us. He didn't make Jones a winner, he made the Giants winners, Jones was just along for the ride.

 

 

 

In defense of Jones just look at the Giants OL and WR's last year. Jones is an average QB IMHO but with the exception of Barkley who did he have on offense to really help him.

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

I don’t believe he’s a puppet. I just believe McD has more pull in the drafting and FA process than many believe. 

Yup. I give him credit for getting there. But don’t elusive he’ll ever get us over the hump. 

Not sure what word you were going for with "elusive" but I get the gist.  You don't like McD and don't think he can win the Bills a Superbowl (because McD has brought us over the hump for winning seasons, playoffs, Division titles, and contending odds for the Superbowl).

 

I do like the McD/Beane team and hope the Bills can keep them.  IMO, the small sample size of playoff losses shouldn't overshadow all the accomplishments and improvements they have made.

[4merper4mer]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

Dorsey was clearly learning on the job. The offense had no identity. Dorsey was unable to call complimentary plays. No play set up a future play. It was basically one play call at a time. 

 

Often, he abondamed the running game without just cause. Look how the RBs were utilized in the passing game. Zero, nada, goose eggs for the most part. McKenzie's skill set never in play. The list goes on and on. 

 

Dorsey hurt the Bills chances rather then helping them. 

 

The offensive stats look good because Allen is that good. Not because of innovative and creative Dorsey schemes and plays. Come playoff time the Bills offense was predictable. Same game plan we've seen in years. Blitz and pressure Allen and double Diggs. Yet, Buffalo had little answers once again. At the very least, they didn't have enough answers. 

 

On a positive not, Dorsey has a year under his belt and still had Allen. Frustrating to see wasted opportunities due to weak coachibg, game plans, and poor in game adjustments. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

I thought this thread was about the worthless receiver from Arizona, but now it’s about a worthless and completely silly crusade.  

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

I thought this thread was about the worthless receiver from Arizona, but now it’s about a worthless and completely silly crusade.  

Are you always depressed? Lol

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

Dorsey was clearly learning on the job. The offense had no identity. Dorsey was unable to call complimentary plays. No play set up a future play. It was basically one play call at a time. 

 

Often, he abondamed the running game without just cause. Look how the RBs were utilized in the passing game. Zero, nada, goose eggs for the most part. McKenzie's skill set never in play. The list goes on and on. 

 

Dorsey hurt the Bills chances rather then helping them. 

 

The offensive stats look good because Allen is that good. Not because of innovative and creative Dorsey schemes and plays. Come playoff time the Bills offense was predictable. Same game plan we've seen in years. Blitz and pressure Allen and double Diggs. Yet, Buffalo had little answers once again. At the very least, they didn't have enough answers. 

 

On a positive not, Dorsey has a year under his belt and still had Allen. Frustrating to see wasted opportunities due to weak coachibg, game plans, and poor in game adjustments. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

 

 So Josh's numbers and our offensive numbers were nearly identical in 2021 & 2022. You claim they were only that good last year because of Allen. Yet Allen was also on the team in 2021, why weren't our numbers better with Daboll being here? Josh even had better weapons in 2021 vs 2022, wasn't injured and played against a far easier schedule. Something isn't adding up here.

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

Are you always depressed? Lol

Huh?  Are you always confused and incoherent?

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Huh?  Are you always confused and incoherent?

You have the most negative posts on this board I have ever seen

 

BILLS WIN SUPER BOWL!!!!

 

You: "Whoopty f*cking doo. Should we give McDermott a medal"

 

Like, dude be happy for once in your life

Edited March 31, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Einstein's Dog]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

"Hopefully accelerate his demise", what's a matter with you?  "If he continues to come up short", what are you one of those Superbowl or else, no excuses, nutjobs? 

 

We've been playoff bound, division winner, superbowl contenders for a few years now.  This is what Bills fans have wanted for years.

 

The small sample size of playoff losses have been with extenuating circumstances and/or injuries.  Lets stay the course and see what the future brings.

[mrags]

7 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Not sure what word you were going for with "elusive" but I get the gist.  You don't like McD and don't think he can win the Bills a Superbowl (because McD has brought us over the hump for winning seasons, playoffs, Division titles, and contending odds for the Superbowl).

 

I do like the McD/Beane team and hope the Bills can keep them.  IMO, the small sample size of playoff losses shouldn't overshadow all the accomplishments and improvements they have made.

Elusive was a fat finger iPhone fix. Supposed to say “believe he will ever get us there”. 
 

I like McD and Beane very much. But the fact is they haven’t won in the playoffs with conviction. 
-loss to jags

-loss to Texans after a huge halftime lead

-barely beat Indy

-barely beat Baltimore with the help of some defensive heroics

-got out played, out coached, out classes by Chiefs

-I give them credit for destroying a sub par Pats team that came into a buzz saw

-had the Chiefs for the win and a shot to host the AFC champ game and 13 second debacle

-barely best 3rd string Skylar Thompson

-got completely out classed, put coached, out played, and embarrassed at home, against Bengals and their 3 backup OLinemen

 

The fact is, Allen is heading towards 30 years of age it seems quicker and quicker. It won’t be long before his superhero plays are long behind him. And with the team that this FO has put together, I’m not so sure Allen can do it without being a superhero. It’s a team game and he’s had limited resources to deal with. Starting with the DLine rotation and all the draft picks and FA spending they’ve done just to keep 8 sub par players rotating on a regular basis. And it ends at all the overpaid STers that don’t excel at any particular position other than gunner on kicks/punts. Paying guys like Matakevich, Jones, Kumerow multiple million dollar contracts just to get in 12 plus a game is idiotic at worst and bad management of salary cap finds at best. 
 

I just hope it’s not too late when we don’t actually win one and realize we’ve squandered the best years of the best quarterback/player to ever don a Bills uniform. 

 

 

 

[JerseyBills]

56 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Refer to the Cinci game where DC Lou Anarumo took Dorsey to the woodshed. Completely outclassed. 

 

In fact, Dorsey's game plan or lack of almost cost the Bills the game vs Miami. 

 

Crawl out from under your rock. 

Agreed on Cincy but we put up 32 or 35 vs Mia. 

Frazier defense was atrocious that game considering who was the QB

[Gambit]

16 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Agreed on Cincy but we put up 32 or 35 vs Mia. 

Frazier defense was atrocious that game considering who was the QB

We had almost 200 more yds then they did. 

[RyanC883]

Let's get back to talking about Hopkins.  

 

Neither OC we have had has been good enough, IMO.  Neither has the talent building around JA in terms of secondary WR, RB, and OL--that's totally on Bean as he failed to improve the pass rush while bypassing all-pro OL in the process.  

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Let's get back to talking about Hopkins.  

 

Neither OC we have had has been good enough, IMO.  Neither has the talent building around JA in terms of secondary WR, RB, and OL--that's totally on Bean as he failed to improve the pass rush while bypassing all-pro OL in the process.  

100%. 
 

I just think McD gets his wish for what players he wants in upcoming drafts. Dion Dawkins could come out tomorrow and retire and we’d have a boring hole at LT and they would still draft defense with their first few picks. It’s the misery that we live in as Bills fans. Unfortunately 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

Dorsey was clearly learning on the job. The offense had no identity. Dorsey was unable to call complimentary plays. No play set up a future play. It was basically one play call at a time. 

 

Often, he abondamed the running game without just cause. Look how the RBs were utilized in the passing game. Zero, nada, goose eggs for the most part. McKenzie's skill set never in play. The list goes on and on. 

 

Dorsey hurt the Bills chances rather then helping them. 

 

The offensive stats look good because Allen is that good. Not because of innovative and creative Dorsey schemes and plays. Come playoff time the Bills offense was predictable. Same game plan we've seen in years. Blitz and pressure Allen and double Diggs. Yet, Buffalo had little answers once again. At the very least, they didn't have enough answers. 

 

On a positive not, Dorsey has a year under his belt and still had Allen. Frustrating to see wasted opportunities due to weak coachibg, game plans, and poor in game adjustments. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

🤡 🤡 

[4merper4mer]

56 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

You have the most negative posts on this board I have ever seen

 

BILLS WIN SUPER BOWL!!!!

 

You: "Whoopty f*cking doo. Should we give McDermott a medal"

 

Like, dude be happy for once in your life

Your confusion reins supreme.  My remark was one that was critical of a ridiculous crusading poster on this board whose claim is that McDermott is somehow a bad coach.  I think it is a horrible take and I think McDermott is a good coach in a world where perfect coaches do not exist.  The other poster is demanding coaching perfection and implies it should be easy to find.  His posts are 100% negative and I was disagreeing with him.  In addition, his McDermott crusade, even if appropriate for the board in general, does not in any way belong in this thread.

 

How is that being “the most negative poster on the board”?

 

Also note that I have not participated in the “Gabe Davis and Ed Oliver are both terrible” narratives that have somehow turned into gospel.

[Buffalo03]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Your confusion reins supreme.  My remark was one that was critical of a ridiculous crusading poster on this board whose claim is that McDermott is somehow a bad coach.  I think it is a horrible take and I think McDermott is a good coach in a world where perfect coaches do not exist.  The other poster is demanding coaching perfection and implies it should be easy to find.  His posts are 100% negative and I was disagreeing with him.  In addition, his McDermott crusade, even if appropriate for the board in general, does not in any way belong in this thread.

 

How is that being “the most negative poster on the board”?

 

Also note that I have not participated in the “Gabe Davis and Ed Oliver are both terrible” narratives that have somehow turned into gospel.

You always have negative remarks about most things and when the Bills are linked to good players Ertz, McCaffrey, Hopkins, all you do is talk about how garbage they are. As I explained to you before, Hopkins in 9 games last year with 3 different QBs, two of which consisted of Colt McCoy and Trace McSorley, had 700 yards receiving on 64 catches, which means he was on pace for over 120 catches and 1400 yards in a full season and you think he's washed. Ertz, while not elite anymore is still very productive. You wanted no part of him coming here because you thought he was washed. McCaffrey top 5 RB and possibly the most dynamic in the  league, he's "overrated". Your takes are ridiculous and you go out of your way to trash on any productive/elite player to add to the roster. You also have a lot of smart remarks to other people's posts. Like nothing good ever comes from you

[4merper4mer]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

You always have negative remarks about most things and when the Bills are linked to good players Ertz, McCaffrey, Hopkins, all you do is talk about how garbage they are. As I explained to you before, Hopkins in 9 games last year with 3 different QBs, two of which consisted of Colt McCoy and Trace McSorley, had 700 yards receiving on 64 catches, which means he was on pace for over 120 catches and 1400 yards in a full season and you think he's washed. Ertz, while not elite anymore is still very productive. You wanted no part of him coming here because you thought he was washed. McCaffrey top 5 RB and possibly the most dynamic in the  league, he's "overrated". Your takes are ridiculous and you go out of your way to trash on any productive/elite player to add to the roster. You also have a lot of smart remarks to other people's posts. Like nothing good ever comes from you

Well you can spin it all you want but I was correct about Ertz.  No way would he have moved the needle for the Bills.  You’ll have to show me where I was negative about McCaffrey and not simply what he would cost.  Clearly a good player, albeit with durability issues.  Hopkins, who also would come with a high cost, has not consistently played, has been suspended for drugs and is 209 years old.  The “whatever it takes” crowd’s opinion on him is akin to paying $2M on a used Honda Accord.
 

I’m truly sorry that my opinions differ from yours but I will admit when wrong.  I was excited for the Bills to pursue Allen Robinson in FA for example.  Now will admit you were wrong in interpretation of my post which was mainly focused on McDermott?

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

It's night and day between the two. Please stop. 

 

Dorsey was clearly learning on the job. The offense had no identity. Dorsey was unable to call complimentary plays. No play set up a future play. It was basically one play call at a time. 

 

Often, he abondamed the running game without just cause. Look how the RBs were utilized in the passing game. Zero, nada, goose eggs for the most part. McKenzie's skill set never in play. The list goes on and on. 

 

Dorsey hurt the Bills chances rather then helping them. 

 

The offensive stats look good because Allen is that good. Not because of innovative and creative Dorsey schemes and plays. Come playoff time the Bills offense was predictable. Same game plan we've seen in years. Blitz and pressure Allen and double Diggs. Yet, Buffalo had little answers once again. At the very least, they didn't have enough answers. 

 

On a positive not, Dorsey has a year under his belt and still had Allen. Frustrating to see wasted opportunities due to weak coachibg, game plans, and poor in game adjustments. 

 

At least Fraizer is gone. Soon we will see what McD can do with this D. Exciting for me because this puts McD front and center. It will hopefully accelerate his demise if he continues to come up short. If not, he will and should receive much praise. 

 

Im on board with your take here...Allen absolutely carried this offense and saved Dorsey from being an even bigger issue.  I can't fathom how anyone can defend Dorsey's coaching job last year.  He was without question a big part of our offensive issues.  He utterly terrible in how he called games in the redzone, he poorly integrated our run game, he failed to get guys like Cook, Hines, and Shakir involved consistently in our passing game, and just how outclassed he was in the playoffs by opposing DC's.

 

It also took him way too long to realize we should throw the ball to Knox, especially in the endzone.  Opposing defenders would talk about the minimal routes guys like Davis would run and how predictable it could be.  And it showed up on tape where our WR's struggled to get open and too much of our pass attack success was on the back of Allen improvising and extending plays so receivers could break off routes and find a spot for Allen to get the ball.  Our OL is not good enough to keep relying on extended plays.  

 

The offense came out fast and furious, but then it was figured out by the time we played GB who gave the NFL a blueprint on to disrupt the offense that was never countered properly by Dorsey.  

 

In defense of him, it was his first year as an OC on any level.  So, he can take what happened last year and build on the positives and work to mitigate the negatives.  

 

But, not going to lie, it makes me nervous gambling on Josh Allen and Diggs prime years on an inexperienced OC who is learning on the job.  This team absolutely needs Dorsey to be better this year and to understand how to make much better adjustments.  And that was the BIG difference between him and Daboll...is that Daboll was always changing the offense and gameplan each week and it was one of the big reasons that under him we were known to have one of the most complicated offenses in the league for players to learn.  

 

But at least Frazier is gone...another guy whose post season performances are indefensible.  Im much more optimistic that McD is calling plays than I would be if Frazier was back.  The last time McD took over play calling from Frazier our defense immediately improved and significantly.  

 

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Buffalo03]

13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Well you can spin it all you want but I was correct about Ertz.  No way would he have moved the needle for the Bills.  You’ll have to show me where I was negative about McCaffrey and not simply what he would cost.  Clearly a good player, albeit with durability issues.  Hopkins, who also would come with a high cost, has not consistently played, has been suspended for drugs and is 209 years old.  The “whatever it takes” crowd’s opinion on him is akin to paying $2M on a used Honda Accord.
 

I’m truly sorry that my opinions differ from yours but I will admit when wrong.  I was excited for the Bills to pursue Allen Robinson in FA for example.  Now will admit you were wrong in interpretation of my post which was mainly focused on McDermott?

Ertz has played well for the Cardinals. Not like he had in years past. But he had some productive Cardinals games. Hopkins is 30, doesn't even turn 31 until right before the season starts and you're trying to make him out to be some over the hill WR. He's far from it. Yes, the last 2 seasons he hasn't really played much, that doesn't mean it would carry over into this season and if he could do what he did in 9 games with the Cardinals last year, imagine what he can do with Diggs on the other side with even 10 games next year, I would still take that. I was more responding back to your post about dissing Hopkins about a page or so ago and all the other stuff I read. I didn't see anything you said about McDermott. So I can't comment on that