Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[papazoid]

hopefully the "hit" doesnt automatically drop off the end of ECB's addy

[mikemac2001]

This will happen before the draft so less than 30 days to go to see who gets him. 
 

[ngbills]

13 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Ummm soooo....

Chase, Higgins, nor Kelce make anything close to that, at least in cap dollars. And once it comes time to pay Chase/Higgins CIN won't keep both. And when the bill came due for Hill they shipped him off. On top of that, Kelce has cost more than $10M just 3 times in his career to date and that hit came in 2018, 2019, and 2020. All of which were around $10-11M. Even with that low number, KC still moved on from Hill in favor of allocating cap dollars elsewhere and relying on rookies/young WR.

QB's who command high value contracts do not have multiple high value WR. They just don't. When you make huge money playing behind center part of the deal is doing more with less. That is not a criticism of Allen, it is just part of the responsibility of the contract. And as you unintentionally pointed out, half of those receivers will not be staying on the same pay roll as their very expensive QB's and other expensive counterparts. 

Go ahead and draft some guys. Do it regularly. Criticize Beane for not doing it. That is fine.

But pounding the table that the only solution to the offense is to spend $80M+ on 2 WR and a QB is insane. If that is what it takes for your offense to run effectively at least one of those guys is way over paid. 

KC signed Hill to 3/$54M, Kelce 4/$60M and Mahomes deal. On top this they handed out other huge contracts to OL and defensive players. They restrux, move money around, swap out players, etc. But they have done what it takes to ensure they have enough talent while paying a huge QB contract. 

[Einstein's Dog]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

Chase, Higgins, nor Kelce make anything close to that, at least in cap dollars. And once it comes time to pay Chase/Higgins CIN won't keep both.

 

QB's who command high value contracts do not have multiple high value WR. They just don't. When you make huge money playing behind center part of the deal is doing more with less. That is not a criticism of Allen, it is just part of the responsibility of the contract. And as you unintentionally pointed out, half of those receivers will not be staying on the same pay roll as their very expensive QB's and other expensive counterparts. 

But pounding the table that the only solution to the offense is to spend $80M+ on 2 WR and a QB is insane. If that is what it takes for your offense to run effectively at least one of those guys is way over paid. 

There are multiple ways to win a Superbowl.  And there are multiple ways to improve a team.  For a lot of us we would like to see another quality WR.

 

Brady was a high value QB and he had M Evans/C Godwin/A Brown and Gronk.  Stafford had C Kupp and R Woods.

 

And the amount spent on J Allen/Diggs and good WR to be named later will not be $80M (even if that WR is DHop).

[JohnNord]

I listened to Sal and Matt Bove talk about Hopkins.  Bove guessed that Beane was interested, made an approach to Arizona, and discovered they wanted too much.  Between his age, contract and the compensation it was probably too high of a cost this season.  
 

There’s a chance AZ changes the demands but like Graham reported unless that happens the Bills aren’t making the deal 

[Buffalo03]

42 minutes ago, Negan said:

 

 

This dude is more full of sh*t than a septic tank

[Warriorspikes51]

If the Bills pull off a trade for Hopkins....

It's going to be hilarious to look back on some ignorant and bullying comments toward a small twitter account.  Especially if he breaks the news first

[Sestak4ever]

7 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

There are multiple ways to win a Superbowl.  And there are multiple ways to improve a team.  For a lot of us we would like to see another quality WR.

 

Brady was a high value QB and he had M Evans/C Godwin/A Brown and Gronk.  Stafford had C Kupp and R Woods.

 

And the amount spent on J Allen/Diggs and good WR to be named later will not be $80M (even if that WR is DHop).

However check out the wide receivers Brady had in New England. Outside of Moss and maybe Edelman he won a bunch of Super Bowls with very average wideouts. He had Gronk at TE, but not much in wr’s.

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

Ummm soooo....

Chase, Higgins, nor Kelce make anything close to that, at least in cap dollars. And once it comes time to pay Chase/Higgins CIN won't keep both. And when the bill came due for Hill they shipped him off. On top of that, Kelce has cost more than $10M just 3 times in his career to date and that hit came in 2018, 2019, and 2020. All of which were around $10-11M. Even with that low number, KC still moved on from Hill in favor of allocating cap dollars elsewhere and relying on rookies/young WR.

QB's who command high value contracts do not have multiple high value WR. They just don't. When you make huge money playing behind center part of the deal is doing more with less. That is not a criticism of Allen, it is just part of the responsibility of the contract. And as you unintentionally pointed out, half of those receivers will not be staying on the same pay roll as their very expensive QB's and other expensive counterparts. 

Go ahead and draft some guys. Do it regularly. Criticize Beane for not doing it. That is fine.

But pounding the table that the only solution to the offense is to spend $80M+ on 2 WR and a QB is insane. If that is what it takes for your offense to run effectively at least one of those guys is way over paid. 

 

I couldn't believe what you wrote about Kelce.  OMG now I'm even more steamed about that guy, top-10 receiver year after year AND he costs them so little.

13th,9th,3th,15th,11th in receiving Y/G since Mahomes took over and damned near impossible to cover.  He must be one of the best values on the planet, even though he is the #2 paid TE in AAV (behind Kittle)

 

Yeah, that's my beef - Beane hasn't taken a shot at WR on Day 1 or 2 since he took over as GM, and it's one of the highest paid, highest value positions in the NFL, most worth drafting high in terms of ROI if he works out.  The Bills need to take more shots!

 

People critique Gabe Davis, but the Bills have gotten great value from him for a 4th.  Sometimes guys are drafted higher because (wait for it) they're seen as more talented.  Likewise people beef about the Bills not giving Shakir more playing time, but honestly, the Bills give players the playing time they earn, rookie or not, and it's not uncommon for a 5th round player to need some time to adjust to the pro game and master his assignments in a complex playbook.  Guys usually aren't drafted in the 5th because they're fully developed and ready to roll into town and rumble.

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

If the Bills pull off a trade for Hopkins....

It's going to be hilarious to look back on some ignorant and bullying comments toward a small twitter account.  Especially if he breaks the news first

Hilarious? Not really… 

 

And if they don’t trade for him? What then? 

[Buffalo03]

37 minutes ago, Figster said:

 

That was Tim Graham that had the significant development take. Not Dov Kleiman

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, boyst said:

i was going the other way. until the seneca tribe tweets it i won't believe it.

 

I want to hear from the guy who spoke to Josh Allen's cousin at Walmart

[BarleyNY]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:30 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This was obvious when the price tag came out as a "Christian McCaffrey" level trade a couple days ago. A significant development would be Arizona drastically dropping their price. 

 

Short of that, it's never going to happen. Beane is never going to pay a price of 2-3 picks starting with a 2nd this year AND pay 34.5 in cap over two years for a 31 year old WR. I don't care how good they looked as of last season. I don't know that any team is paying that price.

 

I don't believe Jerry Jeudy was ever available to be traded for even though fans clamor for it. Same goes for Mike Evans.

https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/16/nfl-news-trade-rumors-mike-evans-tampa-bay-buccaneers-free-agency/

 

So as of right now, it's pretty much OBJ or a 1st Round Pick as far as a legit WR addition goes. Some of you are just going to have to learn how to deal with it.

Agree that this is just gamesmanship. AZ is just trying to get the most possible in trade for DHop. No shame in that. Cap consequences are exactly the same whether they trade or cut him. So they’ll eventually trade him for something. AZ jacked up the price and the interested teams all said they weren’t interested any longer. My prediction is he gets traded to some team a week or so before the draft. 

[Aussie Joe]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

“Barring a significant development”

 

Gee what could that be?  
 

- AZ coming down to meet BUF offer

- BUF going up to meet AZ ask

- Both teams compromising to strike a deal

 

[Mango]

19 minutes ago, ngbills said:

KC signed Hill to 3/$54M, Kelce 4/$60M and Mahomes deal. On top this they handed out other huge contracts to OL and defensive players. They restrux, move money around, swap out players, etc. But they have done what it takes to ensure they have enough talent while paying a huge QB contract. 

 

That is a super broad brush. Big money never hit for all three of those guys in the same season. And when the time came, they got rid of Tyreek. The very first time Mahomes cap hit was over $7.5M was in 2022. 

That is right Mahomes cost less than $7.5M every season until this passed season....where they moved on from Tyreek Hill, their expensive WR. 

This is literally my point. You do not pay all 3 top dollar at the same time. 

If you want to have a conversation around surround Josh with more talent, I am fine with that. Go draft a guy high, pay him big money when Diggs contract is up. But stop pretending everybody is paying multiple receivers $20M to play on the same team with a big QB contract too. 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

“Barring a significant development”

 

Gee what could that be?  
 

- AZ coming down to meet BUF offer

- BUF going up to meet AZ ask

- Both teams compromising to strike a deal

 

Yep…sounds pretty dead doesn’t it

[Warriorspikes51]

Offer them a trade down from 27 to 34

 

& a 2024 Conditional 3rd

-becomes a 2nd if Bills make AFC Champ

-becomes a 1st if Bills make Super Bowl

 

& a 2024 6th

 

 

we should have a 3rd round Comp pick next year which helps ease it a bit for us

 

 

for their new GM, this has the optics of 

1st + 3rd (decent chance higher) + 6th 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Offer them a trade down from 27 to 34

 

& a 2024 Conditional 3rd

-becomes a 2nd if Bills make AFC Champ

-becomes a 1st if Bills make Super Bowl

 

& a 2024 6th

 

 

we should have a 3rd round Comp pick next year which helps ease it a bit for us

 

 

for their new GM, this has the optics of 

1st + 3rd (decent chance higher) + 6th 

Beane would get roasted on here if he made that deal.  I really want the player but that's too rich. 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Beane would get roasted on here if he made that deal.  I really want the player but that's too rich. 

fair take. I see it as appearing rich for AZ’s benefit. The deal may be slight overpayment. But, it gets us an Elite WR and keeps him off the Chiefs

 

you moved down only 7 picks

gave a conditional mid rounder (still have a 3rd)

tossed in a late rounder

Edited March 29, 2023 by Warriorspikes51