Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, LyndonvilleBill said:

It's not pennies here. You NEVER pay MSRP when you go to a dealer. I would NEVER pay "Whatever it takes" to get a player. There are ALWAYS options and choices. We just did this with Von and what happened? There are NO guarantees and overpaying for a 30 year old WR would be "criminal " or "unacceptable". 

You never pay MSRP because there are other options to choose from, more than 1. There are only so many elite WRs that are available, which drives up the price for acquisition. There are no other choices outside of Hopkins that is better, none. 

[cgg716]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Absolutely no way. 
 

Even if AZ ate a ton of that contract, it’s way too much. 
 

Bills need to hit on 27.  It’s imperative. 
 

Whether it’s a Tackle (my hope), LB or best skill player (Bijan or WR) … that piece needs to be contributing low cost part of this team for the next 4 years.  
 

The other problem is that these coaches would likely bench that draft pick to start 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You never pay MSRP because there are other options to choose from, more than 1. There are only so many elite WRs that are available, which drives up the price for acquisition. There are no other choices outside of Hopkins that is better, none. 

If he is so valuable, then why aren’t other teams interested ?

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

If he is so valuable, then why aren’t other teams interested ?

Because they are undervaluing what Hopkins brings to the field. Also, some teams don’t have the type of owners we have who are willing to eat absurd amounts of cash to win. 
Hopkins has produced everywhere he’s gone, and done it with less talent than most. OBJ had Kupp and Stafford and still struggled. Hopkins has never played with a QB or WR on the same caliber as Josh and Diggs. 
If we traded for Hopkins, he would have 1,400 yard season. Sig it. 

[HappyDays]

31 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

According to many, we have already upgraded the offense with Harty, Sherfield, McGovern, Edwards and Harris. Then we should have a Healthy Allen, Knox not having to be kept in to block and Shakir in his second year. Why do we have to have an expensive, shiny new toy that's 30? I'd rather use the 2nd to fill a real need and have some money available if needed.

 

This is where we differ - I consider WR2 a need. Davis is okay as a WR2. But on a championship caliber offense he isn't good enough. I love him as a WR4. He excelled in that role in 2020. Getting Hopkins would immediately push Davis back into that role. I think the trickle down effect of that is an underrated piece of why this move makes so much sense, just like trading for Diggs also put John Brown in more favorable matchups against #2 CBs. Adding a top tier receiver doesn't just give you the surface level results, it also makes everyone else on offense better.

 

A championship caliber offense, in addition to a top tier QB, needs to have either an elite group of weapons or an elite offensive line. Right now the Bills have neither. There is no chance of us suddenly creating an elite offensive line this offseason. But there is a real chance of us suddenly having one of the best groups of weapons in the league. What you call a "shiny new toy" I call a necessity to put our offense at a championship caliber level.

 

The new players you mentioned only upgraded our depth pieces on offense. I'm happy with every one of those signings but they didn't improve the top end potential of the offense. We still have an average at best offensive line and a very good but not elite group of weapons. We are missing one piece to push us over the top. Our Devonta Smith, or Christian McCaffrey, or Tee Higgins. To me that missing piece is as big a need as any other hole on the roster. Because we're well past the point in our team building cycle where we're just trying to fill holes. We're competing for a championship. That changes the whole conversation.

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by HappyDays

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

You never pay MSRP because there are other options to choose from, more than 1. There are only so many elite WRs that are available, which drives up the price for acquisition. There are no other choices outside of Hopkins that is better, none. 

There are ALWAYS options. Patience is a virtue. We don't need to do anything RIGHT now. Doesn't sound like there are any other teams involved and if there are and they are willing to pay more, so be it. There's this story about a Bull and his son on a hill... 🤣 

 

I've said in other posts,  we don't need another #1 wr, it would be a luxury, not a necessity. You are just stuck on this one.

[RiotAct]

17 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It's not pennies here. You NEVER pay MSRP when you go to a dealer. 

nowadays you do!

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is where we differ - I consider WR2 a need. Davis is okay as a WR2. But on a championship caliber offense he isn't good enough. I love him as a WR4. He excelled in that role in 2020. Getting Hopkins would immediately push Davis back into that role. I think the trickle down effect of that is an underrated piece of why this move makes so much sense, just like trading for Diggs also put John Brown in more favorable matchups against #2 CBs. Adding a top tier receiver doesn't just give you the surface level results, it also makes everyone else on offense better.

 

A championship caliber offense, in addition to a top tier QB, needs to have either an elite group of weapons or an elite offensive line. Right now the Bills have neither. There is no chance of us suddenly creating an elite offensive line this offseason. But there is a real chance of us suddenly having one of the best groups of weapons in the league. What you call a "shiny new toy" I call a necessity to put our offense at a championship caliber level.

 

The new players you mentioned only upgraded our depth pieces on offense. I'm happy with every one of those signings but they didn't improve the top end potential of the offense. We still have an average at best offensive line and a very good but not elite group of weapons. We are missing one piece to push us over the top. Our Devonta Smith, or Christian McCaffrey, or Tee Higgins. To me that missing piece is as big a need as any other hole on the roster. Because we're well past the point in our team building cycle where we're just trying to fill holes. We're competing for a championship. That changes the whole conversation.

 

Yep, we added some good WR depth, but I don't see any of those guys as difference makers that take some of the attention off Diggs.  DHop completely changes how a defense has to scheme against us in coverage.

[papazoid]

i'm just here to get to 200.....lol

 

seriously, the bills are one WR2 from dominating

 

dhop is just 1 year older than diggs. he is a legit superstar #1 WR

 

give josh more time (OL) and 1 more weapon and lookout !!.....all the defense needs to do is get healthy

 

this needs to be the year of the offense

 

GO BILLS !

[78thealltimegreat]

13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

I think it was pretty obvious that my point was that Josh didn't underthrow the ball.

 

 

I know was just joking unlike the other guy 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Somewhere Zach Ertz is frowning that his thread length record facing serious jeopardy…

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Somewhere Zach Ertz is frowning that his thread length record facing serious jeopardy…

Well that and playing in Arizona with zero prospect of playoff football will do that 

[HOUSE]

44 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

It's not pennies here. You NEVER pay MSRP when you go to a dealer. I would NEVER pay "Whatever it takes" to get a player. There are ALWAYS options and choices.  

Ding ding ding, I have a new hero..

[LyndonvilleBill]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is where we differ - I consider WR2 a need. Davis is okay as a WR2. But on a championship caliber offense he isn't good enough. I love him as a WR4. He excelled in that role in 2020. Getting Hopkins would immediately push Davis back into that role. I think the trickle down effect of that is an underrated piece of why this move makes so much sense, just like trading for Diggs also put John Brown in more favorable matchups against #2 CBs. Adding a top tier receiver doesn't just give you the surface level results, it also makes everyone else on offense better.

 

A championship caliber offense, in addition to a top tier QB, needs to have either an elite group of weapons or an elite offensive line. Right now the Bills have neither. There is no chance of us suddenly creating an elite offensive line this offseason. But there is a real chance of us suddenly having one of the best groups of weapons in the league. What you call a "shiny new toy" I call a necessity to put our offense at a championship caliber level.

 

The new players you mentioned only upgraded our depth pieces on offense. I'm happy with every one of those signings but they didn't improve the top end potential of the offense. We still have an average at best offensive line and a very good but not elite group of weapons. We are missing one piece to push us over the top. Our Devonta Smith, or Christian McCaffrey, or Tee Higgins. To me that missing piece is as big a need as any other hole on the roster. Because we're well past the point in our team building cycle where we're just trying to fill holes. We're competing for a championship. That changes the whole conversation.

 

I'm not arguing against getting a #2wr and moving Davis to 4. I'm against the cost (picks and $) of Hopkins. For a 2nd, 3rd the cap space and impact it will have for the next couple of years, I'm sure we could upgrade the OL and add a #2 wr this year if they want to. 

[Warriorspikes51]

54 minutes ago, akcash said:

I read on Cardinals message board they might move him post June 1st. 

that goes against Fowler on ESPN saying teams expect a deal in the near future

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I'm not arguing against getting a #2wr and moving Davis to 4. I'm against the cost (picks and $) of Hopkins. For a 2nd, 3rd the cap space and impact it will have for the next couple of years, I'm sure we could upgrade the OL and add a #2 wr this year if they want to. 

"You mean DT, LB, and S, don't you?" says a fella named Sean.

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

that goes against Fowler on ESPN saying teams expect a deal in the near future

Yeah, plus they appear to be hitting the reset button. You want and need draft currency asap and next year picks do nothing, next year picks come in after a June 1 trade.

can’t see it happening 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I'm sure we could upgrade the OL and add a #2 wr this year if they want to. 

 

No way we can upgrade the offensive line in 2023 at this point. What we have now is what it's going to be, likely with a couple draft picks added into the mix.

 

What's your preference for adding a true WR2? Right now the available options are Hopkins for Arizona's asking price, Jerry Jeudy for a 1st, or OBJ for whatever salary he's asking for. If reports are true that OBJ wants to play with Aaron Rodgers on the Jets that gives us just Hopkins and Jeudy as the available options. Unless you have someone else in mind?

[3rdand12]

17 hours ago, mrags said:

No I don’t. Everything put together in the Terminator was built for massive power. Nothing can come close (at the time at least)  to the power that the Termi could handle. People were getting 1,000hp out of a stock motor. Was listed as 390hp stock but was closer to 420hp realistically. Ford for their ***** slapped because the 01 Cobra was falsely claiming the HP output and people were taking them to the Dyno right from the showroom floors and weren’t getting anything close. So they safely underrated the HP on the 03-04 Cobras. 
 

as far as sounds? Idk. Anyone getting a new edge mustang would most likely be putting on an exhaust anyway. Basani, Pypes, Magnaflow, or my favorite Borla Ataks. 
 

the thing that makes me go crazy is the SC whine though. You know it’s a Termi from a far ways away. Once you hear it, you know that sound. 

I enjoy SC whine. and the bigger the better.
Turbo guy myself, and built a few.

 

Mustangs have the best factory sounds on the market imo. No matter the model. 4.6 /5.0 whatever.
would never switch out unless I was going for bigg power.
 

But the Voodoo motor and that flat plane crank ? To God's Ear is that sound

[mikemac2001]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

No way we can upgrade the offensive line in 2023 at this point. What we have now is what it's going to be, likely with a couple draft picks added into the mix.

 

What's your preference for adding a true WR2? Right now the available options are Hopkins for Arizona's asking price, Jerry Jeudy for a 1st, or OBJ for whatever salary he's asking for. If reports are true that OBJ wants to play with Aaron Rodgers on the Jets that gives us just Hopkins and Jeudy as the available options. Unless you have someone else in mind?