HamSandwhich Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Has Hopkins been acquired yet? Is he even available is the real question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 4 more pages to surpass the OBJ thread... But will it ever surpass the Great Zach Ertz thread??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, wppete said: But will it ever surpass the Great Zach Ertz thread??? The only connection is that the Cards do monumentally stupid things and then have to do other stupid things to undo the stupid things that they did before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Since we’ve drafted Allen. We’ve used a 1st round pick on an LB, 2 on the DL. And one on a CB. 4 out of 5. As well as two more DLs with 2nd rounders. And an absurd amount for Miller. KC and Cinci don’t need to add to the Defense. And I’ll take Dhop over some rotation DL The way the draft picks have been spent is obvious. But we have holes to fill and a cap hit of that sort screws us over and takes away two potentially impact players. Let's not forget we need a MLB and still a couple more pieces for the OL. We're also thin without Lawson or Phillips. You name these other teams, but neglect to mention what they already have. Both have OL's better than ours. Both have an overall skill group better than ours. Lots of changes coming this year though, already starting to lose some players. In the end, back to the topic of Hopkins, it doesn't matter anyway because Beane won't do it for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m fine with letting Beane do things his way, but so far his way hasn’t gotten us anywhere. How long do we wait? 2 more years? 5 more years? When does his strategic methods become accepted as a failure? For me a 7-9 team is the same thing as a 14-3 team that didn’t win a super bowl. See that’s where our ideological differences are. You accept 2nd and 3rd place as an accomplishment. If you want to be a fan of playoffs, then I can’t stop you. What is miserable about want to win a super bowl, and accepting anything less as failure? The whole point of playing NFL football is to win a super bowl, that goes for any competition. I guess it means being miserable if you don’t recognize participation trophies. The bolded is what I was responding to not "wanting a super bowl". I guess your take seems kind of extreme to me. There is nothing wrong with wanting the team to win the Super Bowl, I don't think there is a single member of Bills Mafia who does not want that. However, just because they dont win the Superbowl in any one year does not mean the organization is inept and a failure. I do think this team is at the point that there is only one thing left to really accomplish and that is a Super Bowl. They have established an ability to find talent more than other teams, they do have a coaching staff that puts out a great offense and a great defenses routinely. They have completely changed the culture of the organization which is very hard to do. Yes they have not gotten it done in the playoffs for one reason or another (coaching IMO) and they need to find a way to get past that. I also think the current staff should stay in place, they need to improve and they at least say that is what their focus is. I just think the amount of joy/fun over the last three years without a SB win has been great to experience. We have one of the best teams who will be competing for the SB year in and year out. To say a Dick Jauron 7-9 season is equal to a 13-3 season where the three games were lost by like 8 points is is a miserable perspective. There are no guarantees in life, we have a great window here to root for this team, if your perspective is Superbowl or collasal failure, you are signing up to b miserable most of the time. Take a step back an smell the roses, enjoy the ride, it's been good and hopefully will get better. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 4 more pages to surpass the OBJ thread... I got you, I know the how cast the thread exploder spell. *Waves wand* TREMAINE-ious EDMUNDS-ious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Contemplating sending death threats to the Cardinals GM.... I'll take one for the team what do you guys think 😆😆😆? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Is he even available is the real question Absolutely he's available. Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal. I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular Salary Cap implications: Oliver - 10m Campbell - +4m Wagner +7m DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think? That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone. I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Contemplating sending death threats to the Cardinals GM.... I'll take one for the team what do you guys think 😆😆😆? Can’t go wrong with some old fashioned magazine clipping random letters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Turbo44 said: Absolutely he's available. Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal. I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular Salary Cap implications: Oliver - 10m Campbell - +4m Wagner +7m DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think? That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone. I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there I don’t know man, I haven’t seen him on Snapchat or anything so I am skeptical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: Can’t go wrong with some old fashioned magazine clipping random letters Well you know it's been a minute since the FBI kicked in my front door 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I got you, I know the how cast the thread exploder spell. *Waves wand* TREMAINE-ious EDMUNDS-ious that bum is gone. no more juice here. his sycophants are spent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: The only connection is that the Cards do monumentally stupid things and then have to do other stupid things to undo the stupid things that they did before. yeah they are like the O'Brian Texans West lol 6 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Absolutely he's available. Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal. I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular Salary Cap implications: Oliver - 10m Campbell - +4m Wagner +7m DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think? That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone. I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there a media guy had an article that restructured DHop with some void years could get his cap hit down for Bills to 4.5 or 4.7 this year. That would be amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, cba fan said: yeah they are like the O'Brian Texans West lol a media guy had an article that restructured DHop with some void years could get his cap hit down for Bills to 4.5 or 4.7 this year. That would be amazing. Yep - I was being conservative with my +7m cap hit projection for DHOP as I don't know much salary the cardinals will be willing to retain (if any) and I'm not sure how much future cap implications Beane's willing to take on. To get to 4.5 this year Beane would have to add to voidable years to the end of DHOPs restructure contract will high cap ramifications. I think the Bills would love DHOP and DHOP would love the Bills but there are significant obstacles in a trade scenario: 1. Draft picks - Will the Cardinal's ask become reasonable and will a current Bills player be added as a sweetener? 2. Are other teams interested in DHOP? 3. Can Beane make the cap work and is he willing to? 4. Will Pegula be willing to open his wallet again for a DHOP and probably another player restructure? Every restructure where salary turns into a signing bonus, Pegula has to pay the whole lump sum bonus upfront. A lot of obstacles which indicates to me it probably won't happen. The important thing here though is it seems Beane is not satisfied with the status quo at WR? Diggs is a legitimate #1 but Davis is not a legit #2, he's an average to above average #3. There are options for that #2 besided DHOP - Jeudy (probably too pricey), other WRs available in a trade that we haven't heard about and pick #27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Just woke up. Is IronMaidenBills still acting like all members of The View? 3 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Yep - I was being conservative with my +7m cap hit projection for DHOP as I don't know much salary the cardinals will be willing to retain (if any) and I'm not sure how much future cap implications Beane's willing to take on. To get to 4.5 this year Beane would have to add to voidable years to the end of DHOPs restructure contract will high cap ramifications. I think the Bills would love DHOP and DHOP would love the Bills but there are significant obstacles in a trade scenario: 1. Draft picks - Will the Cardinal's ask become reasonable and will a current Bills player be added as a sweetener? 2. Are other teams interested in DHOP? 3. Can Beane make the cap work and is he willing to? 4. Will Pegula be willing to open his wallet again for a DHOP and probably another player restructure? Every restructure where salary turns into a signing bonus, Pegula has to pay the whole lump sum bonus upfront. A lot of obstacles which indicates to me it probably won't happen. The important thing here though is it seems Beane is not satisfied with the status quo at WR? Diggs is a legitimate #1 but Davis is not a legit #2, he's an average to above average #3. There are options for that #2 besided DHOP - Jeudy (probably too pricey), other WRs available in a trade that we haven't heard about and pick #27 Actually Davis is an average if not above average #2. Not many teams have a complimentary receiver like the Bengals and Dolphins. With that said would I love to add Nuk and get in that conversation with the Bengals and Dolphins? Yes, very much yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, cba fan said: yeah they are like the O'Brian Texans West lol a media guy had an article that restructured DHop with some void years could get his cap hit down for Bills to 4.5 or 4.7 this year. That would be amazing. The void years stuff is starting to make me cringe. I get that we haven’t really done much on that front, but with Von and Tre both on big deals coming off injury.. I don’t love the idea of doing too much on that front. Then again, the Jets are feeling just fine tacking on multiple 20M void years to Rodgers contract, so maybe the cap is going to go up that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Just woke up. Is IronMaidenBills still acting like all members of The View? Hey, do me a quick favor and go get your SHINEBOX!! I want to see them shoes DAZZLE!! NUK!!!! Edited March 25, 2023 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 39 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Absolutely he's available. Problem is, as I see it, is the Cardinal's GM is new and doesn't want to be perceived as "fleeced" in his first deal. I say sign Calais Campbell and an offer of Oliver and a 4th or 5th for DHOP will get it done. Then sign Bobby Wagner and offseason, other than draft, is real ands spectacular Salary Cap implications: Oliver - 10m Campbell - +4m Wagner +7m DHOP with salary retention and resturcture +7m Net gain to cap of +8M and we're under cap by about $11m right now, I think? That leaves enough to sign draft picks, though Beane will probably restructure someone. I say add a year to Hyde's deal (to align him with Poyer's contract) and he could free up about $4m there I'm not sure why we haven't added a year onto Hyde's deal. It makes so much sense. And then resign DaQuan to an extra 2 years or so. That will add more cap space without even having to restructure another deal and then find a way to part with Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, papazoid said: ESPN analytics five thirty eight ranks gabe davis the 100th best WR in NFL......thats like a bottom end #3 wr the have Diggs ranked 4th best overall https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/ the bills clearly need a wr2 I don't disagree with your conclusion, but any analytics tool that has Diontae Johnson as the 5th best pass catcher in football can safely be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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