Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, mrags said: 4th and 21. And he had plenty of options between 15 and 70 yards. It wasn’t his only throw Not really considering the time left in the game. Time that was left at that point they didn't have many options (if I'm not mistaken).. and if lucky enough to get in range for Bass and if getting everyone to LOS to clock the ball to at least have a chance.
Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I mean why are we even playing these silly argumentative value games? If AZ is asking for a 2nd rounder, do it, make it a 2024 if you have to. Just do it. If we don’t land Hopkins, who is realistically available to be had at roughly the same talent level? OBJ? Jeudy? All of them are going to take cap hits and maybe even some picks (Jeudy). I’d rather have Hopkins anyways, because he has a higher double team rate per snap. He’s also never play along side a talent like Diggs, and OBJ has (Kupp) and he still couldn’t breakout. It’s Hopkins or Bust, just make it happen, nobody is going to care about some draft pick when we win a super bowl this year. Speaking for myself, I can't really argue with you here either. I would do 2nd rounder if needed especially (JMO) this draft doesn't really look very impressive to me. But yeah, also if giving a 2nd rd pick I'd assume that would mean AZ eats some of that money.
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Speaking for myself, I can't really argue with you here either. I would do 2nd rounder if needed especially (JMO) this draft doesn't really look very impressive to me. But yeah, also if giving a 2nd rd pick I'd assume that would mean AZ eats some of that money. It’s honestly so hard to gauge what is going on behind the scenes, because there is virtually little information out there. I have no idea what AZ is even asking for. But if I’m Beane, I’m trying to do what I can to land him, because this is probably the best chance to win a super bowl. Think about it, our main problem down the stretch was Diggs not getting targets and thusly moving the ball down the field. He was often times doubled, and Davis couldn’t win his matchups enough to breakthrough. We have done nothing this offseason to address this #1 issue. Because it is an issue, we can’t just run it back going into the season and expecting better results, that would be a sign of a GM that just doesn’t get it. Let’s just say Beane decides not to trade for Hopkins but instead takes a WR in round 1 in the draft. How much is is honestly going to play considering how reluctant McD is with playing rookies? Let’s say we draft one and he puts up 800 yards this season (fairly reasonable for a rookie), is that enough to win the arms race against KC/Cinci? We don’t really have the time at the moment to wait for a WR to develop into a 1B unless we are absolutely positive a 1B is going to be there at #27. Hopkins is an immediate 1B option with ample 1,000 yard seasons and he still commands double teams regularly. These are solid numbers despite not playing with a WR or Diggs caliber. For me it’s a no brainer, go get Hopkins and head into the draft and dedicate it for the oline and a LB.
Governor Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I mean why are we even playing these silly argumentative value games? If AZ is asking for a 2nd rounder, do it, make it a 2024 if you have to. Just do it. If we don’t land Hopkins, who is realistically available to be had at roughly the same talent level? OBJ? Jeudy? All of them are going to take cap hits and maybe even some picks (Jeudy). I’d rather have Hopkins anyways, because he has a higher double team rate per snap. He’s also never play along side a talent like Diggs, and OBJ has (Kupp) and he still couldn’t breakout. It’s Hopkins or Bust, just make it happen, nobody is going to care about some draft pick when we win a super bowl this year. Evans could be available kinda maybe.
Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think it's a mix of both, compensation and the fact that the team trading for him wants them to eat about half of his salary and the Cardinals are refusing 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Even if AZ won’t eat the salary, we should still do it. Make room if we have too, we can, I’ve played around with cap numbers. It would likely mean moving on from Oliver and a few more restructures but it’s doable. There is no one else that is realistically to be had of Hopkins caliber. Who is going to care if we have to cut a bunch of people in 2024 if we don’t have room for any more restructures if we win a super bowl this season? Nobody. That's where the negotiation comes in. If a 2nd pick is traded (for example), then that would require AZ to eat some of that money. If something like a 4th-5th round pick then likely they would take on less or any of that money. If that is indeed what is going with all this, but your guess is good as mine 1 1
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Governor said: Evans could be available kinda maybe. Yeah, like I said earlier Hopkins/Evans are the type of receivers that would elevate our team. The thing with Evans though, is he has an even higher cap hit. I don’t know if we can make that work, it’s even harder than making Hopkins work. 2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: That's where the negotiation comes in. If a 2nd pick is traded (for example), then that would require AZ to eat some of that money. If something like a 4th-5th round pick then likely they would take on less or any of that money. If that is indeed what is going with all this, but your guess is good as mine I’ve been thinking about this the whole last few days. I just can’t honestly think of a decent reason to explain the hold up. I understand the negotiation stand point, but it’s really just splitting hairs. Nobody is really going to care either way, I mean sure some fans will initially be sour about the compensation, but they will get over it when we are the greatest show on Earth this season.
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I can understand being concerned about 1st and 2nd round picks when a team is rebuilding and trying to become a contender. We have already reached that point and then some. There are only so many places that we can truly upgrade that would pay dividends. Another star WR is one of those places. To me it’s just an easy decision. We are here, and we are ready to make these power moves now, when you are a piece away, this is the time to do these kind of “reckless” maneuvers. Edited March 25, 2023 by IronMaidenBills 1
Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: But if I’m Beane, I’m trying to do what I can to land him Well yeah, don't you think he's doing just that? I mean if the reports we have seen are true, then clearly Beane is interested and is doing what he can 1
Scott7975 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Give the fans what they want!!! I know you are excited but you do know that Beane isnt reading any of your posts right? I'm pretty sure if Beane thinks he can make it work he will. He aint the type thats going to overpay for someone. This stuff takes time. 1
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Patrick Duffy said: Well yeah, don't you think he's doing just that? I mean if the reports we have seen are true, then clearly Beane is interested and is doing what he can But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. Just now, Scott7975 said: I know you are excited but you do know that Beane isnt reading any of your posts right? I'm pretty sure if Beane thinks he can make it work he will. He aint the type thats going to overpay for someone. This stuff takes time. I just say it out of excitement, I’m not expecting Beane to do anything, because I don’t think he has what it takes to get us a super bowl. I’m hoping he proves me wrong though by trading for Hopkins. Overpaying is just a silly argument right now, nobody is going to give two spits if it’s a 1st round this year or next year and eating salary. Nobody. Because it will likely mean we win a super bowl this year.
Buffalo03 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. What would irritate me is, if Dhop gets traded to the Chiefs or somewhere for a 4th rounder and we backed out of something like that. I hope this isn't some nickle and diming thing where we won't go past like a 5th and lose out because of it 2
Scott7975 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. It does matter though. Over paying for someone that is this old can ruin the team. Look at the Rams. Yeah they won the SB but they were terrible last year and now they are blowing it up because they have no resources. They are going to be terrible for a while. Sure, you can say "who cares they won the bowl," but what if they didnt? It took a lot of luck for them to do that. One play going the wrong way and they might not have even made the SB and they would still be where they are now... a bad team thats going to be bad for a while. Why you think their coach considering retirement? Cus his team is going to be dumpster fire and he doesnt want to deal with it. That can happen to us... make a bad decision, dont get the luck to win the whole thing, blow the team up, team is bad for years to come. Ours wont be as bad because Allen is not a decrepid broken Stafford but it still wont be wc fodder if they have to blow up. 1
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Buffalo03 said: What would irritate me is, if Dhop gets traded to the Chiefs or somewhere for a 4th rounder and we backed out of something like that. I hope this isn't some nickle and diming thing where we won't go past like a 5th and lose out because of it This is my major fear. Something like that would be the last straw for me. I could never support Beane again if that were to happen.
Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: But we have be supposedly interested for a week now. What is the hold up? If it’s silly negotiations over value or salary eating, that is just stupid. It doesn’t matter at this point in time. Don't know what's going on. That may be silly, stupid, and doesn't matter to you, but I'm pretty sure it matters to Beane 1
Scott7975 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: What would irritate me is, if Dhop gets traded to the Chiefs or somewhere for a 4th rounder and we backed out of something like that. I hope this isn't some nickle and diming thing where we won't go past like a 5th and lose out because of it Yeah that would be crap for sure.
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Scott7975 said: It does matter though. Over paying for someone that is this old can ruin the team. Look at the Rams. Yeah they won the SB but they were terrible last year and now they are blowing it up because they have no resources. They are going to be terrible for a while. Sure, you can say "who cares they won the bowl," but what if they didnt? It took a lot of luck for them to do that. One play going the wrong way and they might not have even made the SB and they would still be where they are now... a bad team thats going to be bad for a while. Why you think their coach considering retirement? Cus his team is going to be dumpster fire and he doesnt want to deal with it. That can happen to us... make a bad decision, dont get the luck to win the whole thing, blow the team up, team is bad for years to come. Ours wont be as bad because Allen is not a decrepid broken Stafford but it still wont be wc fodder if they have to blow up. They won a super bowl. That is all that matters. Winning a super bowl. Nobody is going to care if we suck for 2 years after a super bowl, because we still have Josh Allen that we can eventually reload around. First thing is first winning a super bowl, you can’t win multiple Super Bowls if you don’t get the first one done. 3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Don't know what's going on. That may be silly, stupid, and doesn't matter to you, but I'm pretty sure it matters to Beane It doesn’t matter what matters to Beane, the only thing that matters is what matters to the fans. We pay for the show, and it’s about doing what the fans want. The NFL doesn’t exist without the fans. Beane needs to understand that. His job is to win a super bowl for the fans, no matter if Beane likes certain moves or not. 1
Scott7975 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: They won a super bowl. That is all that matters. Winning a super bowl. Nobody is going to care if we suck for 2 years after a super bowl, because we still have Josh Allen that we can eventually reload around. First thing is first winning a super bowl, you can’t win multiple Super Bowls if you don’t get the first one done. Yeah but you miss the point of they might not have. Signing Hopkins doesnt guarantee anything. He could blow an ACL, we could lose in the playoffs to a bad ref call, someone can make a 13 sec mistake. Anything can happen to ruin those plans.
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Yeah but you miss the point of they might not have. Signing Hopkins doesnt guarantee anything. He could blow an ACL, we could lose in the playoffs to a bad ref call, someone can make a 13 sec mistake. Anything can happen to ruin those plans. But at least it indicates that they are trying everything they possibly can. It’s better than sitting on their hands and running it back. Running it back and failing again is way worse than gambling on an elite piece and failing again. I can accept the latter, but I will not accept the former. 1 2
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: They won a super bowl. That is all that matters. Winning a super bowl. Nobody is going to care if we suck for 2 years after a super bowl, because we still have Josh Allen that we can eventually reload around. First thing is first winning a super bowl, you can’t win multiple Super Bowls if you don’t get the first one done. It doesn’t matter what matters to Beane, the only thing that matters is what matters to the fans. We pay for the show, and it’s about doing what the fans want. The NFL doesn’t exist without the fans. Beane needs to understand that. His job is to win a super bowl for the fans, no matter if Beane likes certain moves or not. I find it amusing. Do you say nobody would care if we won a Super Bowl and then we sucked You would be the lead poster complaining about how much we sucked and didn’t repeat and you know it 1
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