78thealltimegreat Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, mrags said: Compared to where Davis was, it was underthrown. Davis had to slow down and let the ball come to him. If it’s in front of him it’s likely a catch and a TD. im not saying it wasn’t a deep throw. Of course it was. But it wasn’t where it needed to be. It was about 5 yards short Have you talked to Brandon Beane apparently about trying out for QB since you can clearly throw 70 yards on the run like Allen can so that it is an easier catch for Gabe 1
boyst Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: 😂 Nice, this literally made me laugh, touché 😂 But you ain’t lying…like 20-30 pages of the same people debating the same things from the first 80 pages while we all scour for any kind of tweet or rumor of new info lol But this time @NiagaraHighSchoolFan posted something. Tomorrow maybe we here from @SUNYBrockportEagles! 1
Sierra Foothills Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, mrags said: What sucks even more is that Allen severely under threw the ball. Davis had multiple steps on Gardner until the ball was already coming down. If that ball is in front of Gabe not only is it likely a catch, it’s a TD. Josh really regressed in that this year imo. His rookie year he was under throwing guys. The last few years he got it under control until this year. He did it way too much for my liking. Maybe it was the arm injury, or maybe he took a step back, maybe it was Daboll was gone. Idk. But it was definitely a thing this year. Josh didn't underthrow the ball... that ball was at the limit of his range for his body position. The problem is that he threw the ball too late. Had Josh thrown it earlier Davis wouldn't have had to wait for it and would have maintained separation/caught the ball in stride. 1 1
mrags Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Hasn’t there been some documentation that the longer throws were easier because of the injury and that’s the reason why Josh Allen was pushing it down the field some thing about arm angles I mean, don’t get me wrong Josh Allen wants to score a touchdown on every play. It’s one of the reasons why we actually love him. Yes. But he hardly knew that a few plays after it happened.
Beck Water Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Doc said: In that game, didn't Gabe drop a TD a play or two before Josh injured his UCL? I don't think so, no. There was an 18 yd completion to Davis, the strip sack/injury recovered by Ryan Bates, an incompletion to Diggs that fell short, then the throw to Davis. 36 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: So Allen should have checked down on a 4th and 21? Are you freaking serious? Not just 4th and 21, but 4th and 21 from our own 14 yd line with 33 seconds left in the game, and no timeouts left for the Bills. Completing a nice 21 yd pass to get us to our own 35 yd line would not have gotten us too much.
papazoid Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 the ball hit gabe davis right in his extended left hand and deflected straight down thru his bread basket and to the ground. id call it a drop. sauce gardner coverage was so tight that gabes right hand/arm was hindered trying to raise it up and never got it on the ball. with all the hand checking, gabe never jumped up to high point the ball. gabe had a mediocre season but supposedly played thru a high ankle sprain most of year. hope he takes advantage of his opputunities....i feel like one of the new WR's or shakir will outplay him
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, mrags said: Yes. But he hardly knew that a few plays after it happened. I also believe it was a fourth down and forever, unless I was mistaken
mrags Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I also believe it was a fourth down and forever, unless I was mistaken 4th and 21. And he had plenty of options between 15 and 70 yards. It wasn’t his only throw 1
78thealltimegreat Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Josh didn't underthrow the ball... that ball was at the limit of his range for his body position. The problem is that he threw the ball too late. Had Josh thrown it earlier Davis wouldn't have had to wait for it and would have maintained separation/caught the ball in stride. He was literally scrambling to avoid the middle of the pocket collapsing so sorry he wasn’t able to throw it earlier like you wanted 2
CincyBillsFan Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Josh didn't underthrow the ball... that ball was at the limit of his range for his body position. The problem is that he threw the ball too late. Had Josh thrown it earlier Davis wouldn't have had to wait for it and would have maintained separation/caught the ball in stride. Allen was under pressure and moving outside the pocket. And I suspect that Davis was near the first down marker in his initial route and didn't break for the end zone until Allen broke away to his left. Throwing from his left is not as easy as throwing from his right and IMO Allen released that ball as fast as he could and still make an accurate throw hitting Davis in the chest 70 yards down field. There are only 2 or 3 other QB's in the NFL who could have hoped to make that throw.
78thealltimegreat Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: 4th and 21. And he had plenty of options between 15 and 70 yards. It wasn’t his only throw Did you see the clock, the location on the field, and how much time was left uh no he didn’t. 1 1
CincyBillsFan Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: 4th and 21. And he had plenty of options between 15 and 70 yards. It wasn’t his only throw Plenty of options? Really?
Patrick Duffy Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Josh didn't underthrow the ball... that ball was at the limit of his range for his body position. The problem is that he threw the ball too late. Had Josh thrown it earlier Davis wouldn't have had to wait for it and would have maintained separation/caught the ball in stride. Maybe, I feel that I'm not alone in saying that I recall yelling "Dammit Gabe wtf, catch the damn ball" quite a few times during the season.... However I will say it does seem like he dropped more of those intermediate kinda of passes and was better on the longer passes. But anyways...
ndirish1978 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 51 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think Hopkins is holding anything up. Seems to be all on Arizona's end. Today I've seen three things that point to this - This video from a Bills Beat Reporter in Rochester stating the people he's asked have said that we're interested "at the right price". If it were the right price right now, it would be consummated: This article from Bleacher Report stating Arizona is waiting for leverage over needy teams - which they wouldn't be saying if the offers they were getting met their demands: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069916-report-cardinals-broncos-waiting-for-leverage-in-deandre-hopkins-jerry-jeudy-trade And lastly, the most recent thing, a tweet from a KC beat reporter saying KC is out as is the rest of the league. Which reads to me like teams started calling over the past couple days, but didn't like what Arizona was asking: Both of these were posted like 10 pages ago 1
HappyDays Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, sven233 said: I get not wanting to mortgage the future. I really do. The stupid thing is that this move really wouldn't even mortgage the future. We're not the Rams trading away every high pick we have several years in a row. We're talking about at most a 2nd round pick in a weak draft class and maybe a couple salary dumps of our own. That's not mortgaging the future. The 2nd round pick in my eyes is meaningless. The salary cap is going to explode in the next couple years so I'm not remotely worried about that part of it either. We all know the trade is possible. The ways of getting the cap space necessary to bring Hopkins in have been discussed ad nauseum. Beane just has to pull the trigger. What I don't get about Beane's apparent reluctance to just make a move is that the first time he did it, trading a 1st round pick for Diggs, it was unquestionably a great move. It took us from wildcard contender to the landslide divisional favorite. Did that trade mortgage the future? No. You'd think such a wild success the first time around would encourage him to do it again when we're so close to being championship caliber. Maybe we're just playing a game of chicken and waiting for the Cardinals GM to fold closer to the draft. If that's the case I'm obviously fine with it. I just hope Beane hasn't drawn a hard line in the sand for the three available WR upgrades. Lose the game of chicken if that's what it takes. Because if we're sitting here next January talking about how a critical Gabe Davis drop cost us the #1 seed, or another playoff game, I don't know what argument there would be for Beane to keep his job at that point. Edited March 25, 2023 by HappyDays 1
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 50 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Come on Beane!!! Give your franchise QB what he needs. And for the love of God, don’t let the Chiefs beat you in the offseason. This times a million. I feel like I’m talking to a wall in here, so glad there are others like you that understand it. Why is this so hard? Just do it, even if we have to compromise to AZ’s demands. There is no solid reason why we can’t make this work.
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Both of these were posted like 10 pages ago Yes, I'm aware. I posted the original video. I was simply compiling all 3 that came out today as the most recent info - all of which pointing to Arizona's asking price being untenable at the moment and it not being an issue with Hopkins himself. Edited March 25, 2023 by BillsFanForever19
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I mean why are we even playing these silly argumentative value games? If AZ is asking for a 2nd rounder, do it, make it a 2024 if you have to. Just do it. If we don’t land Hopkins, who is realistically available to be had at roughly the same talent level? OBJ? Jeudy? All of them are going to take cap hits and maybe even some picks (Jeudy). I’d rather have Hopkins anyways, because he has a higher double team rate per snap. He’s also never play along side a talent like Diggs, and OBJ has (Kupp) and he still couldn’t breakout. It’s Hopkins or Bust, just make it happen, nobody is going to care about some draft pick when we win a super bowl this year. Edited March 25, 2023 by IronMaidenBills 1
Buffalo03 Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: I mean why are we even playing these silly argumentative value games? If AZ is asking for a 2nd rounder, do it, make it a 2024 if you have to. Just do it. If we don’t land Hopkins, who is realistically available to be had at roughly the same talent level? OBJ? Jeudy? All of them are going to take cap hits and maybe even some picks (Jeudy). I’d rather have Hopkins anyways, because he has a higher double team rate per snap. He’s also never play aside a talent like Diggs, and OBJ has (Krupp) and he still couldn’t breakout. It’s Hopkins or Bust, just make it happen, nobody is going to care about some draft pick when we win a super bowl this year. I think it's a mix of both, compensation and the fact that the team trading for him wants them to eat about half of his salary and the Cardinals are refusing
Milanos Milano Posted March 25, 2023 Posted March 25, 2023 Just now, Buffalo03 said: I think it's a mix of both, compensation and the fact that the team trading for him wants them to eat about half of his salary and the Cardinals are refusing Even if AZ won’t eat the salary, we should still do it. Make room if we have too, we can, I’ve played around with cap numbers. It would likely mean moving on from Oliver and a few more restructures but it’s doable. There is no one else that is realistically to be had of Hopkins caliber. Who is going to care if we have to cut a bunch of people in 2024 if we don’t have room for any more restructures if we win a super bowl this season? Nobody.
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