The Importance of Von Miller

[Buffalo Junction]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8%

 

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von)

 

No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still.  But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt.  

 

The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role.  But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most.  Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for.  

 

 

The big thing with Von - Hyde as well - is the timely plays. Certain guys make plays in moments when a play is needed. Losing two of those - all pro- guys in a single season is extremely difficult to overcome; especially when it’s on the same side of the ball. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The Jets game at home and a terrible Bears team probably account for a lot of that differential. I felt like the Bills pressured fields nearly every play and they destroyed Mike White. Also, the Bears' talent is absolutely awful.  

 

I mean the Rams were terrible week 1 and we had other games while Von was here against lower competition, so that can be said on both sides of the Von injury

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I mean the Rams were terrible week 1 and we had other games while Von was here against lower competition, so that can be said on both sides of the Von injury

 

I don't know, I mean personally I think the Bills beat down may have set the tone for them a bit. They were SB Champs at home and hanging the banner that night. That would have any team hyped up and ready to play. Other than Von and OBJ they had basically same SB team if I'm not mistaken?

 

 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.

 

 

 

Where’s the clown emoji?

[Mr. WEO]

If the Bills beat Miami, won't the "penultimate battle for the AFC crown" be in Buffalo vs the winner of Jax/Chargers?

[Brand J]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

If the Bills beat Miami, won't the "penultimate battle for the AFC crown" be in Buffalo vs the winner of Jax/Chargers?

No because the lower seed goes to KC. Only way we get the winner of that game is if the #6 Ravens upset #3 CIN.

Edited January 11, 2023 by JayBaller10

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

No because the lower seed goes to KC. Only way we get the winner of that game is if the #6 Ravens upset #3 CIN.

 

 

but the Bills would be at home no?

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

I don't know, I mean personally I think the Bills beat down may have set the tone for them a bit. They were SB Champs at home and hanging the banner that night. That would have any team hyped up and ready to play. Other than Von and OBJ they had basically same SB team if I'm not mistaken?

 

 

 

I have to respectfully disagree, they didnt look good at any point of the season.  They were a veteran and SB team, they were not going to be terrible the rest of season solely because we had a big game against them.  And point is, we played bad teams in the 12 games Von was here too, so discounting the stats because we played a bad team or two after doesn't make sense.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

He played almost every down. Pretty sure he wanted it that way. To me an injury was almost predictable. He was trying to do too much with not much help while Rousseau was out. Wish he had been bubble wrapped for the playoffs but that wasn’t going to happen. It is what it is.

Especially on that horrible Ford Field surface!! 

[RiotAct]

50 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Where’s the clown emoji?

I mean, it’s not a horrible take.  Depending on who you consider a “big name” on the roster.

 

Losing Allen or Diggs would be a lot more impactful.  Hell, Mitch Morse too.

[Goin Breakdown]

The loss of Hyde might be right there. The loss of Miller put it over the top for me. 

[Patrick Duffy]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I have to respectfully disagree, they didnt look good at any point of the season.  They were a veteran and SB team, they were not going to be terrible the rest of season solely because we had a big game against them.  And point is, we played bad teams in the 12 games Von was here too, so discounting the stats because we played a bad team or two after doesn't make sense.

 

Regarding your statement in bold, sorry if I may have missed something, but I don't understand what it's about? I wasn't discounting any stats at all about anything. Not sure if you may have meant that for someone else or not? Lol

 

As for the rest, I didn't say it was "solely" the Bills game making Rams season bad. I said it may have set the tone a bit. I think Bills surprised them a bit and they didn't expect quite that bad of a beat down. 

 

 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

All respect, I think it may make a difference that Von Miller's ACL wasn't actually torn so there may not have been all the ancillary damage.

As I understood it, the ACL didn't appear torn on MRI but the Bills and Miller's team decided he needed a clean-up on the meniscus tear to try to play through it.

 

Then while they were in there poking around they discovered the ACL was damaged and unlikely to hold.

 

I don't know but I think it makes a difference.

 

 

 

I think it was torn. At least according to this article:

 

"The Buffalo Bills star linebacker who had surgery to repair a torn ACL in his right knee on December 6, is staying positive despite missing the remainder of his first season with the organization"

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellore/2022/12/17/von-miller-staying-positive-during-acl-recovery/?sh=3a9d251e1bec

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I think it was torn. At least according to this article:

 

"The Buffalo Bills star linebacker who had surgery to repair a torn ACL in his right knee on December 6, is staying positive despite missing the remainder of his first season with the organization"

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellore/2022/12/17/von-miller-staying-positive-during-acl-recovery/?sh=3a9d251e1bec

 

OK, I wrote imprecisely.  What I meant is that it wasn’t’ completely torn, or they would have seen it on the MRI after the game where he was injured.

The diagnosis was torn lateral meniscus, and the partially torn ACL was found during surgery to repair the meniscus.

 

I think it makes a difference that the ACL wasn’t completely torn

 

Maybe it doesn’t

[Einstein]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

OK, I wrote imprecisely.  What I meant is that it wasn’t’ completely torn, or they would have seen it on the MRI after the game where he was injured.

The diagnosis was torn lateral meniscus, and the partially torn ACL was found during surgery to repair the meniscus.

 

I think it makes a difference that the ACL wasn’t completely torn

 

Maybe it doesn’t

 

Gotcha. Ok.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I mean the Rams were terrible week 1 and we had other games while Von was here against lower competition, so that can be said on both sides of the Von injury

He was elite for the Bills this year. He was basically unblockable in key moments. Talent-wise, it was effing OBVIOUS he was their best pass rusher. I mean, come on.

[ProcessTruster]

14 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.    

 

 

 

If the Chiefs stop the Bills again this year, Von's absence will be the primary reason.   

 

Josh will need to have the Superman cape on this year to get past Cinci and KC and Philly/SF , all of whom have big time pass rush specialists.  

[Teddy KGB]

15 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.

 

 

 

[Ga boy]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8%

 

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von)

 

No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still.  But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt.  

 

The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role.  But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most.  Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for.  

 

 

Boom!!  The truth will set you free.  Great analysis again, Alpha.  With or without Von, we gotta score early and often against Cincy and/or KC, and we can do it.  Go Bills!!

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

17 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I mean, it’s not a horrible take.  Depending on who you consider a “big name” on the roster.

 

Losing Allen or Diggs would be a lot more impactful.  Hell, Mitch Morse too.

I’d say go back and watch the KC game.  He completely dominated and his final pressure resulted in the Mahomes INT.  That’s exactly what we need right now. 
His play positively effected the whole DL too.