The Importance of Von Miller

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

I don't know about overestimated, but I will say imo the loss of Hyde is a little bit more worse than Miller.

They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. 

[Einstein]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, which is what exactly I said in the post you responded to

 

Yeah I was agreeing with you.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway

 

The stats looking similar before and after Von Miller does not surprise me.

 

what I noticed with Von Miller, is that even when he was somewhat invisible for most of the game, when we needed him the most, when we desperately needed that big time qb pressure or sack at the end of the game, he always seemed to show up.

 

thats what we miss 

 
based on what we saw with Tre doesn’t mean much to me.  Every athlete is different and every injury is different.  Some players needed a year to come back from achilles tears.  Cam Akers came back in 5.5 months.  
 

However it turns out, I don’t want to see him play in the regular season unless it’s a critical game week 18.  When we signed him, I thought we should sit him the whole year.  Maybe it’s my ptsd, but I had a feeling von was too good to be true. I’d be ok if he never played a regular season game again tbh

24 minutes ago, Airseven said:

The simple fact they’re stuck with the same pass rush as last year with a worse secondary means Miller’s handful of TFL’s will be missed.

Duh

[Johnny Hammersticks]

If given the choice, I’d rather have Hyde back for the playoffs than Von Miller 🤷🏾‍♂️

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 
based on what we saw with Tre doesn’t mean much to me.  Every athlete is different 

 

I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s not the athlete and it’s more the caution of the Bills training and coaching staff. I’m speculating that the Bills are going to hold any player with an ACL tear out for 12 months.

 

We will find out if i’m wrong.

[WhoTom]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

If given the choice, I’d rather have Hyde back for the playoffs than Von Miller 🤷🏾‍♂️

 

Agreed. We're much thinner at safety than we are at DE.

 

That said, I'd still like to have Von in there.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by WhoTom

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s not the athlete and it’s more the caution of the Bills training and coaching staff. I’m speculating that the Bills are going to hold any player with an ACL tear out for 12 months.

 

We will find out if i’m wrong.

Yeah, that’s possible.  I just think injuries vary.  Athletes physical beings vary.  Athletes mindsets vary.

 

whatever it may be, i hope he plays minimal regular season games. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 1-12 (With Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 29.2% (17th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 43.8%

 

Buffalo Bills pass rush weeks 13 to 18 (Without Von Miller)

QB Pressure % - 33.8% (8th in the NFL)

Pass Rush Win Rate - 44.8% (Higher than with Von)

 

No doubt, the players and staff (and fans) would love to have Von out there still.  But the stats say that we are no worse without him right now, and even a little better since he got hurt.  

 

The reality is that where Von will be missed more is in those big moments, as that closer kind of role.  But, at least we didn't see a big drop off when he went down, which is what we all feared the most.  Still a question on whether or not our other guys can be that closer in key moments, but I think Von's biggest impact has been to help elevate the guys around us through his energy, teachings, etc and hopefully that translates into closing out games like we signed Von for.  

 

 

The Jets game at home and a terrible Bears team probably account for a lot of that differential. I felt like the Bills pressured fields nearly every play and they destroyed Mike White. Also, the Bears' talent is absolutely awful.  

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.

 

 

 

Fickle are we? 

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. 

Agree, Miller was also the guy who made Benford and Jackson look acceptable as starting CB’s early in the season. 

[BigDingus]

Since he's injured, I'm now content lying to myself & saying he's of no significance, his presence wouldn't have made a difference, and he was just a vanity signing anyway... 

 

You know, to show the world just how big Buffalo's d*** is & wave it in Dallas/LA's faces.

Edited January 10, 2023 by BigDingus

[Success]

He just made everyone better; that is certainly missed.

 

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

He’s the only Hall of Famer on that side of the ball and was still playing at a high level. 

Rude to say this with Mike Love still on the team. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.

 

 

 

 

Is this what an education in Brentwood, TN gets you?

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

They’re both huge losses, but an elite pass rusher like Miller does more to disrupt the passing game than a free safety. 

99% of the time I would say yes but we basically have the same defense as last year when we finished first in pass defense by almost 20 yards. This year we aren't even in the top half. This entire defense revolves around Hyde and Poyer and disguising our schemes. We just don't have that element this year.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I think his value to the team is greatly overestimated by most fans.

 

Of any big name we had to lose for the playoff run, he'd be the first name I'd choose.

 

You're kind of like a regular now at the TBD Bad Take Cafe aincha

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Bases on what we saw with Tre White acl rehab, we likely won’t have Von back until December 2023 anyway

 

All respect, I think it may make a difference that Von Miller's ACL wasn't actually torn so there may not have been all the ancillary damage.

As I understood it, the ACL didn't appear torn on MRI but the Bills and Miller's team decided he needed a clean-up on the meniscus tear to try to play through it.

 

Then while they were in there poking around they discovered the ACL was damaged and unlikely to hold.

 

I don't know but I think it makes a difference.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Beck Water

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. Context matters… Rousseau has certainly stepped up in his place but by my eyes the pass rush is noticeably worse without Von… The JAGs opposite Rousseau are a problem. 

Basham and Aj for sure.  Shaq has been solid though.  He had a tough day in a tough matchup vs Trent Brown.  Brown hasn’t been good but he’s a tough matchup for Shaq.  

[Ramza86]

At the very least he can use that contract to continue to help the young DEs perfect their craft. 

 

Rosseau has been a freak of nature.

[bmur66]

He played almost every down. Pretty sure he wanted it that way. To me an injury was almost predictable. He was trying to do too much with not much help while Rousseau was out. Wish he had been bubble wrapped for the playoffs but that wasn’t going to happen. It is what it is.