Bills WR Route Concepts in Our Offense

[freddyjj]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

But it seems to me that we almost never run quick inside slants toward the middle of the field? 

 

someone runs one on every RPO - usually Diggs

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

A lot of time defenses against Josh have a spy whose job is to take away that throw.  It's probably the only thing you can really do as a spy without losing contain on #17, take away the short middle or tip the intermediate middle.

Exactly, the middle of the field was really only ever open when Beasley was able to find the soft spots in the past between the spy and the other defenders in zone.

 

They don't have a quick strike in stride slant over the middle because most teams just leave a guy sitting in the middle of the field watching Josh.

Edited January 10, 2023 by The Wiz

[Green Lightning]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Also....screens to Hines and Cook please. 

Dorsey can't even spell "screen" much less scheme one. 

[coloradobillsfan]

Since we're talking WR concepts, are we actually going to use Shakir during the playoffs?

[StHustle]

I have a strong feeling Dorsey will switch things up in the playoffs

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, I'm all for the screen game.

 

But when have the Bills been able to run a conventional (not a bubble) screen in, like, the last 4 seasons?  There have been threads about this.

 

Dorsey  .... Has he even practiced them ? Does Kromer have something against pulling guards and or Morse ?
It just feels like they want Josh to throw downfield on every play until that cant. Then do something different, and then start the cycle again

[fasteddie]

From what I have seen, Allen is not the most accurate qb in throwing slants. His passes are usually behind or low to the receiver. The receiver usually has to stop or slow down to catch it. I think his recent elbow problems have exacerbated the inaccuracy. He seems to have fewer problems throwing the long passes, but it seems he is in real pain trying to throw the fastball. 

[Solomon Grundy]

As far as routes, someone explain to me why on many occasions this season are McKenzie and Davis routinely in the same area when passes arrive. It happened again in the 1st quarter of the Patriots game when Davis caught the ball down at the 2 yd line. McKenzie was there too. Looks to me like McKenzie is running the wrong route

[Old Coot]

Someone ran the wrong route.  You never design a play to have receivers in the same area.

 

Coule be that someone ran the wrong designed route or they ran option routes & one of them misread the coverage.

[Manther]

59 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

As far as routes, someone explain to me why on many occasions this season are McKenzie and Davis routinely in the same area when passes arrive. It happened again in the 1st quarter of the Patriots game when Davis caught the ball down at the 2 yd line. McKenzie was there too. Looks to me like McKenzie is running the wrong route

Interesting.  I have seen that more than we should.  I don't have the answer, but, interesting.

[TFBillsfan]

18 minutes ago, Manther said:

Interesting.  I have seen that more than we should.  I don't have the answer, but, interesting.

I’ve thought that same thing too often this season. For whatever reason it’s involved Davis and McKenzie. Not sure why were not utilizing McKenzie, Knox and Hines more on short crossing routes. That’s an easy matchup for them.  Hard to argue though when they’ve been winning. For those thinking Dorsey has some tricks up his sleeve come playoff time, I’m not holding my breath.

 

Quite frankly, I’d rather see them stop the RZ turnovers instead of thinking we need a trick play. The Bills MUST execute better and eliminate the head scratching self inflicted mistakes. Do that  and they can go toe to toe with anyone.

Edited January 11, 2023 by TFBillsfan

[Protocal69]

12 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Don...my goodness that catch by Brown was so gorgeous.  I'm sorry, I just love replaying it on video and in my head. 

 

One...it takes just one of those to total mess with the head of a DC. 

 

If Allen started to hit Beas on just a couple of slants, ad then you have Diggs and Smoke on the sides, and Cook and Motor as valves...oh boy.

 

Cover 1 showed that the pass to Brown was initially covered but as soon as Josh directed Brown to the open green INSTANTLY brown turned up field for the bomb. I think Josh is all the way back now. He showed great footwork and patience in the pocket and was very comfortable 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Also....screens to Hines and Cook please. 

Dorsey gave some generic answer about developing/expanding Hines' role in the offense today. 

 

I don't expect any changes at this point. 

 

The Bills dabbled with him once or twice in the first few games he was here, and he did take a dump off for a touchdown. 

 

But Playoffs? 

 

I expect this to be the Singletary and Cook show. 

 

I also expect John Brown and Cole Beasley are the ones elevated on game day. 

 

I don't think they'll do anything with Jordan Phillips, but he has a significant shoulder issue, and it's not smart to keep rotating him in as if he's healthy. You know other OCs are seeing that in the film room and will look to exploit if possible. 

[Freddie's Dead]

13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Also....screens to Hines and Cook please. 

 

Screens?  Shirley you can't be serious, this is the Bills, after all.  In another thread, someone mentioned that we haven't run a successful RB screen since Fred Jackson in 2014.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 hours ago, fasteddie said:

From what I have seen, Allen is not the most accurate qb in throwing slants. His passes are usually behind or low to the receiver. The receiver usually has to stop or slow down to catch it. I think his recent elbow problems have exacerbated the inaccuracy. He seems to have fewer problems throwing the long passes, but it seems he is in real pain trying to throw the fastball. 

Dorsey said today that Josh's elbow is full-go with no limitations on any type of throw. 

 

In the Bengals game there was no sleeve, no long shirt over top, no tape. 

[John from Riverside]

I know a lot of people think that it is a waste of time, but I would like to see the running game be incorporated more, especially now that James Cook is starting to find his footing
 

Running the ball does more than just keep a balanced offense it runs clock whenever you have leads, it keeps good offenses on the sideline, twiddling their thumbs and putting pressure on them, which can often lead to turnovers

 

Would love to see James Cook Inc. more into what we do they’ve been ramping him up slowly, but I think he’s ready

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I know a lot of people think that it is a waste of time, but I would like to see the running game be incorporated more, especially now that James Cook is starting to find his footing
 

Running the ball does more than just keep a balanced offense it runs clock whenever you have leads, it keeps good offenses on the sideline, twiddling their thumbs and putting pressure on them, which can often lead to turnovers

 

Would love to see James Cook Inc. more into what we do they’ve been ramping him up slowly, but I think he’s ready

Notice that WGR is not banging that drum as hard. 

 

I bang on the media for their lack of any real football questions, but give it to Mookie Hawkins for continuing to ask Dorsey why the running backs don't get more carries when they are averaging 5.0+ ypc.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

I’ve thought that same thing too often this season. For whatever reason it’s involved Davis and McKenzie. Not sure why were not utilizing McKenzie, Knox and Hines more on short crossing routes. That’s an easy matchup for them.  Hard to argue though when they’ve been winning. For those thinking Dorsey has some tricks up his sleeve come playoff time, I’m not holding my breath.

 

Quite frankly, I’d rather see them stop the RZ turnovers instead of thinking we need a trick play. The Bills MUST execute better and eliminate the head scratching self inflicted mistakes. Do that  and they can go toe to toe with anyone.

Just my opinion, I just just don’t think the Bills think the drag to McKenzie is a high ROI play.

 

And Hines, I’d just be more on the shocked side if the Bills start putting him in the slot because it means that Diggs, Beasley and McKenzie won’t be there unless they flex to 4-wide ala 2020 empty set and gun.

 

I can see Hines getting 1 carry in the Playoffs, maybe in the form of a toss-play. 

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I know a lot of people think that it is a waste of time, but I would like to see the running game be incorporated more, especially now that James Cook is starting to find his footing
 

Running the ball does more than just keep a balanced offense it runs clock whenever you have leads, it keeps good offenses on the sideline, twiddling their thumbs and putting pressure on them, which can often lead to turnovers

 

Would love to see James Cook Inc. more into what we do they’ve been ramping him up slowly, but I think he’s ready

They had Cook split out wide on the INT late in the first half. He cut back across the middle of the field and was wide open, would have easily gotten the first down. Not sure why he was never noticed, but he’s up for it.

 

[Manther]

10 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

I’ve thought that same thing too often this season. For whatever reason it’s involved Davis and McKenzie. Not sure why were not utilizing McKenzie, Knox and Hines more on short crossing routes. That’s an easy matchup for them.  Hard to argue though when they’ve been winning. For those thinking Dorsey has some tricks up his sleeve come playoff time, I’m not holding my breath.

 

Quite frankly, I’d rather see them stop the RZ turnovers instead of thinking we need a trick play. The Bills MUST execute better and eliminate the head scratching self inflicted mistakes. Do that  and they can go toe to toe with anyone.

Agree with all, all being...

 

1.  Why not more short crossing routes, especially with McKenzie, Hines and Knox

2.  Dorsey and holding back for the playoffs, I am hopeful, but also not holding my breath

3.  RZ turnovers need to stop.  Most of them aren't even close and are head scratching

 

Go Bills, let's get this done!