Panthers request to interview Dorsey for HC

[Donuts and Doritos]

Great. A distraction for the OC to take his eye off the ball as he preps for a playoff game. Hope he can walk & chew gum at the same time.

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Peter said:

Wait a minute.

 

I remember people on this board claiming with 100% certainty that Dorsey's reaction after the first Dolphins game would ruin his chances of becoming a head coach.

 

No I think you misremember. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Look at what happened every time a coordinator left in Pittsburgh all the years of Big Ben, the Packers with Rodgers, etc.  Now what happens when a coordinator leaves the Rams, the Chiefs, the Payton era Saints etc?  Nothing, it doesn’t matter because the O runs through the stable link.

 

Yea Big Ben kept piling up the yards and points and both of Aaron Rodgers Head Coaches were offensive guys who have called plays. What matters is do you have good coaches or bad coaches. What happened when Brady went from Charlie Weiss to Josh McDaniels to Bill O'Brien back to Josh McDaniels? 

 

There is absolutely nothing that suggests you have to have an offensive Head Coach to have sustained offensive success. Just a false narrative created by people who don't like McDermott. 

[CEN-CAL17]

Honestly I love McDermott…

 

But this team revolves around Josh Allen. Right when I feel like we need to be doing more offensively, building around Josh, getting more creativity, finding ways advance this offense…. We are talking about potentially restarting the offense. Talking about Joe Brady who was a disaster in Carolina(bad QB play of course)….

 

I just feel like JA isn’t getting younger and we just continue to ask him to do more. I just look at Mahomes situation with Reid, I look at Minnesota… Kirk Cousins situation under O’Connell, I mean what if Josh was in Miami right now? Look what McVay did with Stafford. Look what Shanahan does with every QB he gets…. Siriani has Hurts in the MVP conversation in 2 short years…. And we are talking Joe Brady for Josh Allen, potentially the best QB talent in the league.

 

Ask yourself… would Joe Burrow be Joe Burrow with Joe Brady? He’s got Zac Taylor. I’m just questioning and playing the what if. Cause I see it all over the league knowing Josh is equally, if not more talented than any QB in the league 

 

Love McDermott just feels like it won’t get us a Super Bowl. IMO I just think Josh needs a Super Bowl caliber offensive mind calling the plays. Vs Josh, go make a play!

 

Im all in this playoffs, but if we are eliminated I think a lot of fans will agree with me.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by CEN-CAL17

[MAJBobby]

I really don’t think he would be 1 and Done. But very well could. I think he has HC interviews last year too. 
 

Brady or Shula would be in line to replace 

[Warriorspikes51]

This shouldn't be allowed. Wait until a team's season is over

[MAJBobby]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:09 PM, streetkings01 said:

And fired after they become HC’s just like Brady.

First one. Has his team in the playoffs with little talent on Offense and Daniel Jones at QB?  Just Saying

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This shouldn't be allowed. Wait until a team's season is over

No idea why it’s allowed. Just wait until the season is over to start interviewing coaches. Why make playoff teams deal with an added distraction. If I was a playoff team I’d deny every request. If they really want the guy they can interview him after we are eliminated or win the Super Bowl. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said:

No idea why it’s allowed. Just wait until the season is over to start interviewing coaches. Why make playoff teams deal with an added distraction. If I was a playoff team I’d deny every request. If they really want the guy they can interview him after we are eliminated or win the Super Bowl. 

Coaches argued it was costing them opportunities to advance. Teams were under pressure for HCs to put a staff together and would move on from candidates if their team continued on in the playoffs. That’s why these interviews are allowed. 

[Scott7975]

I dont really think he is going to get a HC job this soon.

[DCofNC]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea Big Ben kept piling up the yards and points and both of Aaron Rodgers Head Coaches were offensive guys who have called plays. What matters is do you have good coaches or bad coaches. What happened when Brady went from Charlie Weiss to Josh McDaniels to Bill O'Brien back to Josh McDaniels? 

 

There is absolutely nothing that suggests you have to have an offensive Head Coach to have sustained offensive success. Just a false narrative created by people who don't like McDermott. 

Ben struggled with a lot of OCs, and the system has never changed under Bellicheck, he’s got his grubby paws all over that offensive scheme. Rodgers has definitely had struggles with some OCs as well.  The key is not having to start over every 2 years because your QB makes OCs look great.  Obviously, you love McD, whatever, but he’s never going to be what makes this team great, that’s JA and to keep improving, you want to refine your game, not have to learn a new system every other year.

[3rdnlng]

Promoting Coordinators to Head Coach positions based on their success on one side of the ball is the likely definition of The Peter Principle. The Head Coach is an executive. Coordinators lean more towards being technocrats and have not generally proven that they have the leadership and executive skills to be a Head Coach. 

[Augie]

8 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

No idea why it’s allowed. Just wait until the season is over to start interviewing coaches. Why make playoff teams deal with an added distraction. If I was a playoff team I’d deny every request. If they really want the guy they can interview him after we are eliminated or win the Super Bowl. 

 

While I generally agree with this, too many positions get filled before the Super Bowl takes place. You don’t want a reputation of holding your staff back when they have opportunities. If you’re on a good team you will never get first crack at the best jobs. I think the only solution may be to make EVERYBODY wait until after the season to start hiring or officially interviewing. 

 

You WANT your coaches getting poached because that’s a sign of success. Interviewing Dorsey, or any coach, before their season ends is a distraction I don’t like at all. On the plus side, assuming he ever grows into HC material, the interview experience is one he can learn from. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Ben struggled with a lot of OCs, and the system has never changed under Bellicheck, he’s got his grubby paws all over that offensive scheme. Rodgers has definitely had struggles with some OCs as well.  The key is not having to start over every 2 years because your QB makes OCs look great.  Obviously, you love McD, whatever, but he’s never going to be what makes this team great, that’s JA and to keep improving, you want to refine your game, not have to learn a new system every other year.

 

I mean you are saying things that are simply wrong. Which years did Ben "struggle" with a new OC?

 

Was it when Bruce Arians was hired in 2007 and Ben jumped from 18 touchdowns to 32 and had what remined a career high passer rating?

 

Or maybe when Todd Haley was hired in 2012 and his touchdowns, completion % and passer rating went up while his interceptions came down on the previous year?

 

Or was it when Randy Fitchner took over in 2018 and Ben had a career high in yards? 

 

No. It was none of those. The only time a new OC took over and Ben struggled was 2021 with Matt Canada and he struggled because he was finished and retired at the season's end not because of any issues with the offense.

 

And Aaron Rodgers has had three OCs in his career in Green Bay - Joe Philbin, Nathaniel Hackett and Adam Stenovich. None of whom have ever called plays. Mike McCarthy and Matt LaFleur have been his play callers (but for a period the year McCarthy was fired where the QB coach called them). So either he is a terrible example or what he actually proves if having an Offensive Head Coach and keeping the offense the same isn't the magic bullet you claim. 

 

But feel free to keep making stuff up to try and support your flawed conclusions.

[Fan in Chicago]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I think you misremember. 

I also remember what he remembers. 

9 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

No idea why it’s allowed. Just wait until the season is over to start interviewing coaches. Why make playoff teams deal with an added distraction. If I was a playoff team I’d deny every request. If they really want the guy they can interview him after we are eliminated or win the Super Bowl. 

That would be detrimental to the overall hiring process and unfair to the candidates. Either each team can start interviews only after the SB or no one can.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Fan in Chicago

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

I also remember what he remembers. 

 

Then you also misremember. Nobody ever said this will stop Ken Dorsey being a Head Coach. What was said is if you react that way consistently and demonstrate that lack of control that will count against you with owners. Nobody wants to hire a guy who lacks emotional control to a leadership position.

[Fan in Chicago]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Then you also misremember. Nobody ever said this will stop Ken Dorsey being a Head Coach. What was said is if you react that way consistently and demonstrate that lack of control that will count against you with owners. Nobody wants to hire a guy who lacks emotional control to a leadership position.

Semantics. You are also indirectly saying that his meltdown would count against him. 

I believe that's what he is saying too. I don't think it would be a show stopper but all things being otherwise equal with another candidate, his past tantrum would cause the other guy/gal to get the job 

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Semantics. You are also indirectly saying that his meltdown would count against him. 

I believe that's what he is saying too. I don't think it would be a show stopper but all things being otherwise equal with another candidate, his past tantrum would cause the other guy/gal to get the job 

 

No, not semantics. A different meaning. As a one off, people can look past it. But it was a bad look and if you behave like that consistently then absolutely it counts against you. Leadership is about control. 

[Fan in Chicago]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No, not semantics. A different meaning. As a one off, people can look past it. But it was a bad look and if you behave like that consistently then absolutely it counts against you. Leadership is about control. 

I feel we are arguing for the sake of it. My position is not too different from yours.

I am out of this discussion. 

[JTown]

This really disturbs me.  Irregardless who they want to interview,  it is s distraction.   Same BS last year.  How the NFL allows interviewing candidates that are still in contention is not rational.   These individuals need to focus on game planning and preparation for Sunday. 

 

The NFL is just incredibly stupid. 

 

I imagine that a team could call him back for a follow-up or second interview next week when he needs to be focused on our next opponent.