Biden, A Good American President, Pilfers Classified Docs

[BillStime]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

But they still will likely impeach Joke over it. 

Please do. 
 

The next two years of the GQP circus all but guarantees a Dem trifecta in 2024.

 

Keep up the good work! 
 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

Anyone still think Trump is going down?  Besides Tibs that is.

His company went down for tax fraud.  Georgia grand jury just closed re ""find 11000 votes".  There's a slander case currently ramping up about a rape case he's involved in.  And I don't think NYS is done with him.  Personally, I'd like to see the confidential records cases both go to indictment but agree, it's less likely now despite the obvious differences in obstruction of justice.  Why do you seek to defend criminal activity by anyone.  Don't you believe in equal justice for all?

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-key-cases-civil-criminal-investigations-lawsuits-updates-2022-7

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by redtail hawk

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

You have to admit that Biden simply gave the stuff back, while Trump refused to and they had to be seized by law enforcement, correct?  

 

I'm just pointing out that these two situations have very different actions by the two men. 

I appreciate the response, Tibs.  Look at you.  
 

The two situations are different, on this we agree.  
 

Trump’s case involves classified information maintained at his home, wherein the DOJ (or whatever body addresses classified material) was working with him to get the material back.    Trump’s shared that he thought the documents were his, that he declassified as President, and there is a disagreement with DOJ.   The DOJ knew where the documents were, who had access and ultimately got them back. 
 

Biden’s case involves materials that disappeared under the veil of secrecy, and according to him, were taken by people working on his behalf who likely lacked the clearance to view the material.  Additionally, it seems logical that as these documents moved about in his “personal” box, it wasn’t his $1000 an hour attorney humping the material around.  It’s also exceedingly unlikely that Biden, who claims to have nothing to do with it, moved them himself. Finally, these items were not “simply given back”, they disappeared between 2013-2023 either due to complete incompetence or cunning and guile.  
 

Questions exist in both cases and we know the     angle being pursued against Trump.  With Biden, I’d be happy with questions under oath for he and his extended circle, and a complete forensic review to see who knew what and when. 
 

That seems the most reasonable solution. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

So much projection, right @Doc?

You’ve got your cultist mixed up, Slim.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  And the funniest part is that they think that since he returned them, it lets Joke off the hook.  Nope.  He held them for several years, moved them several times and only returned them when someone finally realized they had them and that it would be a political problem given what is happening with Trump.

 

But if they still want to charge Trump with the Espionage Act for it, fine.  Just make sure you so the same for Joke.  Otherwise Joke's getting impeached.

Witness the carpet bombing by the usual apologists.  It might be nothing here.  But people that have absolutely no knowledge of the details as of yet, because nothing much is available at this point are all willing to argue with full confidence in their ignorance that it can't possibly be that Joe might bear some responsibility for the situation or that something "bad" might be present here. 

 

But they love them some big government no matter what.  And what's worse?  Not knowing the political class is screwing everyone and going along with it or knowing they're screwing us all and still going along with it?  

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[B-Man]

 

 

 

This decision will significantly weaken the perceived apolitical credibility of any future decision by the Justice Department to charge Trump.

 

The Justice Department must always decide whether proceeding with charges is in the public interest. Biden has greatly undermined that argument via his own classified document problems and associated hiding of that scandal from the public.

 

This feeds credibility to the prospective narrative that Trump is being unfairly targeted by political enemies.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bidens-priceless-legal-and-political-gift-to-trump

 

 

 

It’s credible because it’s obviously true. And the Justice Department’s “apolitical credibility” is weak because it doesn’t exist.

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by B-Man

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

 

18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I appreciate the response, Tibs.  Look at you.  
 

The two situations are different, on this we agree.  
 

Trump’s case involves classified information maintained at his home, wherein the DOJ (or whatever body addresses classified material) was working with him to get the material back.    Trump’s shared that he thought the documents were his, that he declassified as President, and there is a disagreement with DOJ.   The DOJ knew where the documents were, who had access and ultimately got them back. 
 

Biden’s case involves materials that disappeared under the veil of secrecy, and according to him, were taken by people working on his behalf who likely lacked the clearance to view the material.  Additionally, it seems logical that as these documents moved about in his “personal” box, it wasn’t his $1000 an hour attorney humping the material around.  It’s also exceedingly unlikely that Biden, who claims to have nothing to do with it, moved them himself. Finally, these items were not “simply given back”, they disappeared between 2013-2023 either due to complete incompetence or cunning and guile.  
 

Questions exist in both cases and we know the     angle being pursued against Trump.  With Biden, I’d be happy with questions under oath for he and his extended circle, and a complete forensic review to see who knew what and when. 
 

That seems the most reasonable solution. 
 

 

You’ve got your cultist mixed up, Slim.  

Patronizing much?  Perhaps we should also critique grammar, syntax and spelling of every post here.

 

Ignorance of the law (or just simple ignorance) is not a defense.  We the people ultimately retrieved them only after a duly sanctioned search warrant was undertaken and less dramatic tactics attempted.  And naturally, the search warrant was vilified by the right.I

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Westside]

10 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Exactly.   These cases may have the same offence but from there, they are vastly different.   

 

Biden should get some sort of hand slap if it's truly sensitive classified stuff we don't want 3rd parties seeing.  But comparing his situation to what Trump did is dumb yet inevitable. 

You’re such a partisan hack. You and the corrupt democratic party deserve each other. 

[Tiberius]

25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I appreciate the response, Tibs.  Look at you.  
 

The two situations are different, on this we agree.  
 

Trump’s case involves classified information maintained at his home, wherein the DOJ (or whatever body addresses classified material) was working with him to get the material back.    Trump’s shared that he thought the documents were his, that he declassified as President, and there is a disagreement with DOJ.   The DOJ knew where the documents were, who had access and ultimately got them back. 

 

So under this, Obama can just say he in fact declassified the docs Biden had and all will be good there, correct? 

 

 

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

 

 

 

LMAO. for what again.

 

and you ever hear that old story about the boy that cried wolf?

 

 

Sure did, cries of  how Liberals were destroying everything, yet here we are living life and having fun 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Not it's not sparky.  The Dems won't want to risk the same thing happening to Joke because they know "well, he returned them" isn't a valid defense for having had them for 7 years, moving them twice (meaning they knew they had them) and keeping them in an insecure location.  So they'll come to an agreement that the materials Trump had were finally returned and all is good. 

 

Sorry, you don't got him (again).

Just to be clear, you are claiming this gets Trump off the hook? This kind of a leap! 

 

 

[wnyguy]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So under this, Obama can just say he in fact declassified the docs Biden had and all will be good there, correct? 

 

 

Sure did, cries of  how Liberals were destroying everything, yet here we are living life and having fun 

Bought a dozen eggs lately? Or a loaf of bread? Gallon of milk?

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

His company went down for tax fraud.  Georgia grand jury just closed re ""find 11000 votes".  There's a slander case currently ramping up about a rape case he's involved in.  And I don't think NYS is done with him.  Personally, I'd like to see the confidential records cases both go to indictment but agree, it's less likely now despite the obvious differences in obstruction of justice.

 

The obstruction argument rings hollow when Biden had the docs for many years: ignorance isn't a valid defense.  He never should have had them to begin with and they should have been return the moment they saw them and decided to move them the first time, much less the 2nd.

 

As for slander, that's a fine at best.  And NYS has taken their best shot.  As for GA, we'll see.

 

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So under this, Obama can just say he in fact declassified the docs Biden had and all will be good there, correct?

 

Just like Trump can, right?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

The obstruction argument rings hollow when Biden had the docs for many years: ignorance isn't a valid defense.  He never should have had them to begin with and they should have been return the moment they saw them and decided to move them the first time, much less the 2nd.

 

As for slander, that's a fine at best.  And NYS has taken their best shot.  As for GA, we'll see.

 

 

Just like Trump can, right?

Did you even bother to look at the list of proceedings that the biz insider article summarized.  NYS is still working on a different case.  As I said above, if there's evidence of Biden's obstruction then prosecute.  Laws are made to be upheld.  If they are not, anarchy results which seems to be the intent of many on the right.

[Big Blitz]

 

[Westside]

10 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Bought a dozen eggs lately? Or a loaf of bread? Gallon of milk?

He’s having too much fun in his moms basement playing on the internets. Besides, mom does all the shopping. You’d have to ask her. 

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

To the brain dead left wing nuts here, this is progress. Think of all the emissions they aren’t causing!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So under this, Obama can just say he in fact declassified the docs Biden had and all will be good there, correct? 

 

I would hope Obama would say “Jesus Christ  Joe, you’re a 🤬 moron.  You let 🤬unauthorized people have access to top 🤬secret files, lose track of them for 7 🤬years and filed them with the membership paperwork from Planet Fitness? What a 🤬 moron.”. 
 

But you probably know him better than me. 
 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

His company went down for tax fraud.  Georgia grand jury just closed re ""find 11000 votes".  There's a slander case currently ramping up about a rape case he's involved in.  And I don't think NYS is done with him.  Personally, I'd like to see the confidential records cases both go to indictment but agree, it's less likely now despite the obvious differences in obstruction of justice.  Why do you seek to defend criminal activity by anyone.  Don't you believe in equal justice for all?

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-key-cases-civil-criminal-investigations-lawsuits-updates-2022-7

 

LOL, you got him this time.  

 

Lock him up, amirite

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

LOL, you got him this time.  

 

Lock him up, amirite

 

I certainly hope so.  Then we can have confidence in our Justice system as well as our electoral process...

12 minutes ago, Westside said:

He’s having too much fun in his moms basement playing on the internets. Besides, mom does all the shopping. You’d have to ask her. 

To the brain dead left wing nuts here, this is progress. Think of all the emissions they aren’t causing!

try again.  in front of a fire, listening to tunes, waiting for a Walmart grocery delivery.

Edited January 11, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

The irony is deep.

 

If the Same DOJ that ordered a raid on Trumps place, doesn't rafully investigate Biden. it proves its not justice, but political.

 

or is this the part where its used to get an R in the house so they can nominate someone that then would order a raid on him.

 

is this the better they are building back?

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Chris farley

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I would hope Obama would say “Jesus Christ  Joe, you’re a 🤬 moron.  You let 🤬unauthorized people have access to top 🤬secret files, lose track of them for 7 🤬years and filed them with the membership paperwork from Planet Fitness? What a 🤬 moron.”. 
 

But you probably know him better than me. 
 

 

But Obama could just declassify, right? 

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

The irony is deep.

 

If the Same DOJ that ordered a raid on Trumps place, doesn't investigate Biden. it proves its not justice, but political.

 

 

 

There is an investigation

 

Wow 

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I certainly hope so.  Then we can have confidence in our Justice system as well as our electoral process...

try again.  in front of a fire, listening to tunes, waiting for a Walmart grocery delivery.

Sure, lol. Does mom’s basement get cold in the winter?

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I certainly hope so.  Then we can have confidence in our Justice system as well as our electoral process...

try again.  in front of a fire, listening to tunes, waiting for a Walmart grocery delivery.

Dang. took that comment to Tibs kinda personal.

 

or did you forget what account you were on.