Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, Doc said: And you're upset because it's a left-wing government that is being attacked. And if this government is being backed by China? I'm upset because civil and possibly military unrest is rarely a good thing, especially when incited by anarchists. Worth a 2 min read: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3805046-brazils-democracy-now-facing-its-most-crucial-test-will-military-intervene/
Doc Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I'm upset because civil and possibly military unrest is rarely a good thing, especially when incited by anarchists. Worth a 2 min read: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3805046-brazils-democracy-now-facing-its-most-crucial-test-will-military-intervene/ If these alleged "anarchists" don't want to be ruled by Commies, then what? 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Doc said: If these alleged "anarchists" don't want to be ruled by Commies, then what? Umm…win elections with a majority vote in a democracy?
Doc Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Umm…win elections with a majority vote in a democracy? And what if the "elections" are corrupt? 1 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: It is accurate to point out that Miller, Alexander, Bannon and others (those accompanying Bannon when he was detained) were actively encouraging unrest in Brazil and using the same playbook as was used for Jan 6. Oh, and that Trump met with Bolsanaro at Mar a lago. 100% is a lofty goal not yet achieved, I agree. And dem leaders spread lies about the illegitimacy of our elections, supported protests that led to anarchists causing chaos in our streets, including the spread of COVID which surely significantly increased the death count during the pandemic. As I said, your question is best answered by folks who can answer your question. 33 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, your insurrection is worse than mine. This is it.
Roundybout Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Doc said: And what if the "elections" are corrupt? Who says they are? 1
Tommy Callahan Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Who says they are? the group that didnt win, its always that group that didnt win. from the hanging chad to the 2AM ballot dump Edited January 9, 2023 by Chris farley 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) This is getting both boring and predictable. None of these flunkies in the US media or twitter know for sure what's going on in Brazil nor do they seem cognizant of the history of elections in the country. Without examining a shred of evidence or setting foot on the ground there they have nothing tangible that might support or not support their contention. But they're all damn certain that there were no election fraud issues and any violence or chaos has to do with Trump. That's how propaganda works and its quite a story they spin. Edited January 9, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 2
Tommy Callahan Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Brazil had some strange results. Like the PL winning seats across all government. from congress to governors. but not the presidency or vice. all these votes for just Lula (PT), with no down votes Like how the Brazilian diaspora can only vote for president and vice president in Brazil.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: Again, your insurrection is worse than mine. No, they're both terrible. Shouldn't have happened and should never happen again 1 hour ago, Doc said: And what if the "elections" are corrupt? 67? judges say ours wasn't. 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: And dem leaders spread lies about the illegitimacy of our elections, supported protests that led to anarchists causing chaos in our streets, including the spread of COVID which surely significantly increased the death count during the pandemic. As I said, your question is best answered by folks who can answer your question. This is it. In your scenario, who was the analogous character to Bannon. Be specific. 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: This is getting both boring and predictable. None of these flunkies in the US media or twitter know for sure what's going on in Brazil nor do they seem cognizant of the history of elections in the country. Without examining a shred of evidence or setting foot on the ground there they have nothing tangible that might support or not support their contention. But they're all damn certain that there were no election fraud issues and any violence or chaos has to do with Trump. That's how propaganda works and its quite a story they spin. The involvement of Bannon et al and Trump meeting Bolsanaro are fact, not propaganda 1 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 5 hours ago, aristocrat said: is this mostly peaceful? No they should be arrested too. I don't see anyone that leans left defending scum like the right does constantly. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: No they should be arrested too. I don't see anyone that leans left defending scum like the right does constantly. To be fair, there's not a lot else to choose from.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: In your scenario, who was the analogous character to Bannon. Be specific. You’re declaring that there is a character analogous to Bannon and asking me to define the terms of your declaration. I am not interested in that sort of dialogue. If your suggestion is that there were not claims made by prominent Dems that the election of Trump was illegitimate, etc, it seems silly to discuss Steve Bannon.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re declaring that there is a character analogous to Bannon and asking me to define the terms of your declaration. I am not interested in that sort of dialogue. If your suggestion is that there were not claims made by prominent Dems that the election of Trump was illegitimate, etc, it seems silly to discuss Steve Bannon. That's because there were no dark, underworld politcal operatives involved that anyone could compare to Guliani, Flynn, Stone and Bannon. Tell me, what groups meeting attended by a democratic would equate to an R going to a proud boys meeting? Edited January 9, 2023 by redtail hawk 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: The involvement of Bannon et al and Trump meeting Bolsanaro are fact, not propaganda So they had a meeting involving two, current/former heads of State. That's not a crime. Are you implying you know for certain that they discussed and plotted some illegal activities? Based on what? Frankly, its all just your opinion, but still one lacking any facts.
wnyguy Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So they had a meeting involving two, current/former heads of State. That's not a crime. Are you implying you know for certain that they discussed and plotted some illegal activities? Based on what? Frankly, its all just your opinion, but still one lacking any facts. Well it's all based on Orangeman bad, you know that.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So they had a meeting involving two, current/former heads of State. That's not a crime. Are you implying you know for certain that they discussed and plotted some illegal activities? Based on what? Frankly, its all just your opinion, but still one lacking any facts. I just can't understand why MAGA's want to overthrow the gov't. I'm guessing it's because voter demographic trends look terrible in the near and distant future for unskilled or under skilled, white, middle aged and older men and to a lesser degree women.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So they had a meeting involving two, current/former heads of State. That's not a crime. Are you implying you know for certain that they discussed and plotted some illegal activities? Based on what? Frankly, its all just your opinion, but still one lacking any facts. I had to confirm it. Bannon, Flynn and Stone were all convicted of multiple crimes. Trump pardoned them all. Giuliani wasn't actually convicted but disbarred. And the Russian stooges he was hanging with were convicted.
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