Annual “Black Monday” - (Insert NFL Coach’s Name) has been released - Thread

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Weo, Caldwell has a winning record as a HC in the NFL. Worked with winning, All-Pro QBs (Manning, Stafford). Has panache in the NFL. Not that funny

 

He stood there and watched HOFer Manning and a stacked Offense win games.  When Manning went down, they went straight to 2-14.

 

With Stafford, he had 2 playoff games in 4 years and lost them both.

 

Neither Stafford nor Manning are walking through that Bears locker room door next season.  Instead they have an option QB with mediocre talent crawling into his third season.

 

What on earth is a 67 year old who hasn't head coached in 6 years and has been out for the league for 3 going to do for this kid?

[Solomon Grundy]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He stood there and watched HOFer Manning and a stacked Offense win games.  When Manning went down, they went straight to 2-14.

 

With Stafford, he had 2 playoff games in 4 years and lost them both.

 

Neither Stafford nor Manning are walking through that Bears locker room door next season.  Instead they have an option QB with mediocre talent crawling into his third season.

 

What on earth is a 67 year old who hasn't head coached in 6 years and has been out for the league for 3 going to do for this kid?

Not just the kid, but the organization. First and foremost, an organization needs stability. A culture. He has the panache to create a culture. He can find a young OC, QB coach to help bring along Fields. A la Andy Reid in KC

Edited January 12, 2023 by Solomon Grundy

[Mr. WEO]

18 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Not just the kid, but the organization. First and foremost, an organization needs stability. A culture. He has the panache to create a culture. He can find a young OC, QB coach to help bring along Fields. A la Andy Reid in KC

 

 

where did he ever "create a culture"?  He walked into an established winning machine in Indy.  The culture of Caldwell was enough to get him fired after 4 seasons in Detroit and no team has sought it out since then. 

 

Unless you are redefining the word, Caldwell is the opposite of "panache".  He has been likened to a mannequin. 

 

Andy Reid couldn't be more different than Caldwell.  I've been critical of Reid as HC in the past before he (finally) won a SB, but the guy is a solid Offensive mind and play caller.  

[Solomon Grundy]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

where did he ever "create a culture"?  He walked into an established winning machine in Indy.  The culture of Caldwell was enough to get him fired after 4 seasons in Detroit and no team has sought it out since then. 

 

Unless you are redefining the word, Caldwell is the opposite of "panache".  He has been likened to a mannequin. 

 

Andy Reid couldn't be more different than Caldwell.  I've been critical of Reid as HC in the past before he (finally) won a SB, but the guy is a solid Offensive mind and play caller.  

He had 3/4 winning seasons in Detroit. Players loved him at both locations (Indy/Detroit). Ownership decisions at both locations are questionable at best. Caldwell was the QB coach for Manning, Stafford and Flacco. Check their stats after he left

Edited January 12, 2023 by Solomon Grundy

[TheFunPolice]

Andy Reid will almost certainly retire #2, with an outside shot at #1, all-time in head coaching wins. Reid is the offensive coach version of Belichick, except he didn't have an all-time great QB for most of his HC career. Can you imagine Andy Reid with Tom Brady for 20 years, and Belichick with a combination of McNabb, Cassell, Alex Smith, and then, finally, Mahomes 20 years later? 

 

the SB wins would likely be reversed. Maybe Reid doesn't win 6 with Brady. Or maybe he wins 7 with Brady. 

 

No disrespect to Caldwell, who by all accounts is a great guy and a decent enough coach, but there is no comparison. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He had 3/4 winning seasons in Detroit. Players loved him at both locations (Indy/Detroit). Ownership decisions at both locations are questionable at best. Caldwell was the QB coach for Manning, Stafford and Flacco. Check their stats after he left

 

What ownership has hired him since then as their HC?  That's what we are talking about, not QB coach.  He wasn't Stafford's QB anyway.  And certainly Manning continued on his HOF career for years after Caldwell was no longer his "QB coach".  Before that he had a 4400+ season, after that, he had 4500 and 4700. 

 

Let me check their stats with Jimbo as HC:

 

 

Manning was 85-27 under Dungy.  48-26 with Caldwell.  "After he left", Manning was no longer with the Colts, but he did set a single season record in Denver, also won a SB.  "After he left", Colts with Pagano had 3 11-5 seasons in a row with a new QB.

 

Stafford had 3 of his biggest seasons passing all in a row---which ended the year Caldwell arrived.  "After he left", Stafford was back to his baseline in 2020 (he was injured 2019). 

 

 

 

[StHustle]

Not a head coach but Leftwich just got fired. Huge fall from a Super Bowl winning OC a few seasons ago.

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Not a head coach but Leftwich just got fired. Huge fall from a Super Bowl winning OC a few seasons ago.

 

Word on the street is that the Steelers are waiting for Leftwich to be fired so they can hire him as their OC.

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Not a head coach but Leftwich just got fired. Huge fall from a Super Bowl winning OC a few seasons ago.

Should have been fired a while ago. He’s been an absolute disaster this season. Bowles should be gone too but sounds like he won’t be.