Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[appoo]

Still the key moment is going to be how his body responds to being taken off the ventilator and how much it can operate on its own and his neurological functioning as they bring him out of sedation. 
 

Him needing less oxygen is optimistic about his bodies ability to operate on its own though

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Agreed. As we wait for news on Hamlin, understanding the medical aspects of his injury, treatment have been beneficial to me.

Shoutout to people like @Herc11, @GaryPinC, @Beck Water @DrPJax and other knowledgeable folks I may have missed. 

 

Get well, Damar !! 

 

Thank you for saying this.   I do understand that some people don't want to wade through technical discussions on the thread.  I think most of them arise because people re-tweet or bringing in numbers I don't think are consistent with the current state of the medical art, and then we get into Brandolini's Law

 

Anyway, I go back and forth about if I say something am I just annoying people, it's good to have the perspective "yes, but other people find it helpful"

 

We all cope with grief and fear in different ways.  Some of us pray most effectively with tools in our hands, and in this case information is a tool.

[Scott7975]

23 minutes ago, Silvercrw said:

Crazy as a forum lurker mostly since 1995-1997 I still don't know how to embed vids lol

 

YouTube videos and Twitter tweets you can just paste the website link and it should do it for you

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, SDS said:

it was a quote from his marketing agent. However if you actually read the text he says he was only resuscitated once “on the field“. No one was ever claiming differently.

 

His uncle yesterday in an interview actually stated that he had to be resuscitated twice, once on the field and again at the hospital.  Jordan then cleared up there was some miscommunication by him and that he actually only need to be resuscitated once.

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

YouTube videos and Twitter tweets you can just paste the website link and it should do it for you

 

Mobile tweets, just make sure you space away from the link...for some reason if you don't do that it will just post the link and not embed it...figured that out only yesterday

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

"But now we have reports that he did not re-arrest so that's great."

That is great 100% - but the report specifically said he did not resuscitate "on the field". Very easily could have in the ambulance or the hospital later. None of us know. But I'm sure, very sure, his uncle knows and would not make that mistake. Saying it happened twice.... Hope for the best for Damar!!!

 

I'll just put out here from personal experience - the adage "a lie (or misunderstanding, or misinformation) travels around the world before truth has a chance to put on her shoes" applies in emergency medicine as elsewhere. 

 

Doctors and nurses who are focused on saving a patient's life are understandably not the best communicators to relatives.  One layperson relative is not the best communicator to another relative.  In situations where someone close to me has required emergency care, I've been told things by an LPN relative that didn't make sense, and then received different information when I had a chance to speak to the physician. 

 

It's not deliberate, it's just the old "game of telephone" where things get altered as they're passed along.

 

 

[ALLinALLEN]

Looks like they re-stocked all the sizes for Hamlin jerseys on fanatics website.

 

I went in and got me one after I heard all proceeds were going to his charity. 

 

Praying for 3

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

16 hours ago, Silvercrw said:

I have been a board member since 1996-97 and injury to Hamlin as truly shook me. I am also am a Youtuber/filmmaker with multiple channels and I could not, not make this video. I also spoke about this board and inserted a message from one of you. Hope you guys like it.https://youtu.be/TdNUwWx7ums

 

Fantastic work! I haven't been able to bring myself to post, since I sat in front of the TV Monday night in stunned silence. I still feel unbelievably numb over this whole tragedy. Like all of us, I'm just hoping to get more good news about Damar today. This video sums up the feelings and puts things into a perspective that I am sure so many of us have. Thanks for making this!

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Very few jobs take the type of physical toll football does on their body.  

 

Far more people in this country have far more physically demanding jobs that are more dangerous and detrimental to their long and short term health than pro athletes.  Most take these jobs because they don't have the opportunities/choices afforded elite athletes.  For their efforts, these people get a modest paycheck and no post retirement healthcare.  

 

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

The majority don’t retire as millionaires.  And, the majority don’t retire in a traditional sense.  They just stop playing football and move on to other vocations. 
 

Nobody has a problem asking these guys to take some Toradol on any given Sunday. So nobody should have an issue asking the league and its teams to buck up for medical care.   

And, define free. In my view, guys like Darryl Talley, for example, earned that health insurance in the field.   The fact that the payments are made after their ability to compete has ended makes no difference to me. 

 

They do---for 5 years after retirement. 

 

The "average NFL career" is frequently cited as 3 years---but that includes anyone who got a single check from an NFL team at any time....so that includes a lot of "camp fodder"--guys who never make a roster (and rarely take a big hit in a game).  But we are talking about guys who at least are on an active roster for several years--these are the guys who are being exposed to the big hits--not the PS guys. 

 

Talley made at least 5 million from the Bills/Falcons/Vikings (plus the Bills payed him in the range of 50-100K for years to be one of their "legends").  That was pretty good money in the 80's-90's.  Easily could have stashed away a chunk for his later years.  Now apparently the money is gone.  Some years ago, there was a online fund drive (disclaimer:  I donated) when the story of his recent health struggles was published.

 

The point is that every players knows exactly what they are getting into from college ball to the NFL, as far as risks to their health.   They negotiate how much they are going to be payed to subject themselves to this risk.  They also know that, like nearly all nonmunicipal unemployed/retired adults under 65, that at some point their employer will no longer be paying for their healthcare.  They can't then, after leaving the game, complain that years later the NFL isn't paying for their health care needs, or that they "earned" something they were never due.  That's not how it works.

[Beck Water]

18 minutes ago, SDS said:

it was a quote from his marketing agent. However if you actually read the text he says he was only resuscitated once “on the field“. No one was ever claiming differently.

 

I'm pretty sure Hamlin's uncle was interviewed and said he had been resuscitated again at the hospital.  Pretty sure that's been reported a couple times up thread.

So now it's being said that was a misunderstanding, which happens, and great news, but also explained by a couple of people here why that would not be medically unexpected if it did happen.

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[SCBills]

Harrison Phillips picked up the dinner tab for Damar Hamlin's family, the Bills training staff and the doctors/nurses at the hospital. 

 

Everyone who becomes part of this organization, whether here or moving on elsewhere, just seems to "get it".   A testament to the organization, the culture and the type of people they bring in. 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by SCBills

[Haslett_Stomp]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'll just put out here from personal experience - the adage "a lie (or misunderstanding, or misinformation) travels around the world before truth has a chance to put on her shoes" applies in emergency medicine as elsewhere. 

 

Doctors and nurses who are focused on saving a patient's life are understandably not the best communicators to relatives.  One layperson relative is not the best communicator to another relative.  In situations where someone close to me has required emergency care, I've been told things by an LPN relative that didn't make sense, and then received different information when I had a chance to speak to the physician. 

 

It's not deliberate, it's just the old "game of telephone" where things get altered as they're passed along.

 

 

 

My family and I experienced this first hand during the experience with my father that I relayed last night.  We received different messaging from the Neurologist and "head ER doctor" (in quotes because I don't know the proper terminology).  They actually went into a room and we could hear them yelling at each other before they came out and provided an update.

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, appoo said:

Still the key moment is going to be how his body responds to being taken off the ventilator and how much it can operate on its own and his neurological functioning as they bring him out of sedation. 
 

Him needing less oxygen is optimistic about his bodies ability to operate on its own though

 

Unfortunately oxygenation isn't an indicator of much.  Assuming normal lung function and adequate cardiac output, he should have little difficulty oxygenating on the vent. The key moment isn't taking him off the vent.

 

There aren't necessarily going to be "good/improving numbers" in this scenario, unfortunately.  All that matters is what will be his mental status as the hypothermic therapy and sedation are stopped.  His heart can, right now, be fully back to baseline (no doubt he's had at least one echocardiogram since he went down)--the issue is did he suffer an anoxic brain injury before spontaneous circulation was restored in the filed.

[CoffeeDrip]

Honestly I think the family would benefit from designating a spokesperson officially and saying “if it doesn’t come from x individual please don’t report it, it isn’t official”. 
 

I think everyone means well in trying to get us updates but I’m of the opinion that there are too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. We all want news but in the end who is correct? 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Mango]

Looks like Taylor took the initiative to close the game out for the Bills. 

Classy move. 
 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by Mango

[Fan in Chicago]

37 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Anyway, I go back and forth about if I say something am I just annoying people, it's good to have the perspective "yes, but other people find it helpful"

 

We all cope with grief and fear in different ways.  Some of us pray most effectively with tools in our hands, and in this case information is a tool.

If it's fact based, and relevant to the Hamlin injury, keep the information coming. Let the reader decide what to read or not. 

Much appreciated

[Bob Jones]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Far more people in this country have far more physically demanding jobs that are more dangerous and detrimental to their long and short term health than pro athletes.  Most take these jobs because they don't have the opportunities/choices afforded elite athletes.  For their efforts, these people get a modest paycheck and no post retirement healthcare.  

And a lot of them do it every day, every week, all year long, for many years, or even decades. Great post, btw.

[HappyDays]

Still no official update on his status unfortunately.

 

 

[CoffeeDrip]

4 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

And a lot of them do it every day, every week, all year long, for many years, or even decades. Great post, btw.

A lot of ‘normal’ jobs come with risk - I’ve had a second cousin killed by road maintenance equipment on the job, had a distant relative killed by a falling equipment part on the job, and a kid I went to high school was crushed in a factory accident and permanently paralyzed. People don’t think about it much, unless they’ve been directly impacted. The risk isn’t mitigated with a huge paycheck like athletes get or with the “hero” status given to police, firefighters etc. But it’s still there.

[loyal2dagame]