The other guy throws picks, too

[Beck Water]

In contrast to some here, I like Kurt Warner's breakdowns and accept as valid his point that Josh is sometimes trying too hard for the kill shot when there are open guys underneath who could get yards.

 

In this NFL Total Access segment from this week, Warner lauds Burrows accuracy and decision making and "putting it up to allow his guys to make plays" and says "whoever wins those 50/50 balls could go a long way to decide who wins this game".  OK.

 

He also pulls clips from Josh Allen's recent "Wind Tunnel" game in Chicago, praises him for threatening defenses every time he steps on the field, and says he could use a "little more understanding" of when to take those chances and when not to take those chances.  He highlights Allen's deep throw into double coverage that was picked.  Allen acknowledges that as "a bad decision" and I think we would all agree. 

 

 

I think it's appropriate to point out here that the other guy can make some bad decisions too.

 

I was surprised to look up and see that Josh Allen has thrown 13 interceptions, 9th in the league, right up there with Tua.

 

But guess who's #12, with 12 interceptions?  This guy, that's who.  I couldn't find this season, but here's a little look at last season when Burrow threw 14.

 

Open invitation to the Buffalo Bills Defense: let's help Burrow equal or surpass his tally last year, shall we?

 

 

Enjoy!

Edited January 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[thenorthremembers]

Watched a fair amount of the Bengals/Patriots game last week, other than the Patriots completely melting down, one thing stood out to me, Burrow's arm strength doesnt match his confidence.   He is a very accurate kid, but man did he throw a lot of passes that should have been picked.  Josh is up there as well dont get me wrong, but I'd like to see the stat for % of interceptable passes that someone like PFF or Football Outsiders would have.

 

[Nextmanup]

The mental side of Josh's game has been as bad as they physical mistake side, which is why I have never accepted the idea that it's "his elbow" that has caused some slumps in his play this year.

 

He hasn't been banging on all cylinders, consistently, for a very long time.

 

IT DOES feel like he has regressed this season in all aspects of the position.  Maybe he really does miss Daboll.  I have no idea!
 

The good news is that "lights out" Josh is in there somewhere, and it can come to the surface at any time.

Last year in the playoffs he was incredible.

 

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Watched a fair amount of the Bengals/Patriots game last week, other than the Patriots completely melting down, one thing stood out to me, Burrow's arm strength doesnt match his confidence.   He is a very accurate kid, but man did he throw a lot of passes that should have been picked.  Josh is up there as well dont get me wrong, but I'd like to see the stat for % of interceptable passes that someone like PFF or Football Outsiders would have.

 

This matches the "code" translation for what Greg Cosell said: Burrow is Very Aggressive throwing outside.  Translation: he throws 50/50 balls to his WR down the sideline, and lets his 6'4" 220 lb receiver bail him out. 

 

I was surprised watching Burrow how many balls he threw where I said "wow, that coulda been picked".  It kind of reminds me of Allen in 2020, where he was really really trusting his guys to come down with it.

[Beck Water]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The mental side of Josh's game has been as bad as they physical mistake side, which is why I have never accepted the idea that it's "his elbow" that has caused some slumps in his play this year.

 

He hasn't been banging on all cylinders, consistently, for a very long time.

 

IT DOES feel like he has regressed this season in all aspects of the position.  Maybe he really does miss Daboll.  I have no idea!

 

Hi.  Point out the regression.  Thanks.

 

 

While you're there, perhaps you could explain what "regression" means to you.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

In contrast to some here, I like Kurt Warner's breakdowns and accept as valid his point that Josh is sometimes trying too hard for the kill shot when there are open guys underneath who could get yards.

 

In this NFL Total Access segment from this week, Warner lauds Burrows accuracy and decision making and "putting it up to allow his guys to make plays" and says "whoever wins those 50/50 balls could go a long way to decide who wins this game".  OK.

 

He also pulls clips from Josh Allen's recent "Wind Tunnel" game in Chicago, praises him for threatening defenses every time he steps on the field, and says he could use a "little more understanding" of when to take those chances and when not to take those chances.  He highlights Allen's deep throw into double coverage that was picked.  Allen acknowledges that as "a bad decision" and I think we would all agree. 

 

 

I think it's appropriate to point out here that the other guy can make some bad decisions too.

 

I was surprised to look up and see that Josh Allen has thrown 13 interceptions, 9th in the league, right up there with Tua.

 

But guess who's #12, with 12 interceptions?  This guy, that's who.  I couldn't find this season, but here's a little look at last season when Burrow threw 14.

 

Open invitation to the Buffalo Bills Defense: let's help Burrow equal or surpass his tally last year, shall we?

 

 

Enjoy!

You sure showed Kurt Warner. Will he have the nerve to show his face around these parts again?

[Punch]

Burrow doesn’t throw interceptions, you’re taking his passes out of context.

[Beck Water]

22 minutes ago, TBBills said:

People get so triggered by what is said on TV and the internet.

 

Hi.  This is a message board where we....discuss the Bills, including what's said about them (good and bad) and our reactions to it.

 

Please explain the difference between filling the purpose of this message board, and being "triggered"

 

I'll hang up and listen.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[Mr. WEO]

I did NOT know that...

[Teddy KGB]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Hi.  Point out the regression.  Thanks.

 

 

While you're there, perhaps you could explain what "regression" means to you.

You watch the games and see the regression   

 

Remember when he used to throw the ball to Diggs instead of no name Bear linebackers ? 

[Pete]

Bills haven’t had many turnovers lately.  I think it’s been 6 games since int.  Jaquan intercepted Hail Mary (knock it down!) was last int I believe.

 

Hey Bills D - it’s a playoff game- make some plays!

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

You watch the games and see the regression   

 

Remember when he used to throw the ball to Diggs instead of no name Bear linebackers ? 

 

Yeah I remember last year when he threw to no name Falcons linebackers. 

[Beck Water]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

You watch the games and see the regression   

Remember when he used to throw the ball to Diggs instead of no name Bear linebackers ? 

 

Considering both our punter and our kicker commented on how variable and strong the winds were, if Josh says the wind carried that ball, seems credible.

Diggs had 5 receptions on 9 targets vs. Miami, IIRC at least 2 of those he could have caught.  3 receptions on 5 targets vs. the Jets, 1 scored drop.

 

I think people see what they want to see.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Considering both our punter and our kicker commented on how variable and strong the winds were, if Josh says the wind carried that ball, seems credible.

Diggs had 5 receptions on 9 targets vs. Miami, IIRC at least 2 of those he could have caught.  3 receptions on 5 targets vs. the Jets, 1 scored drop.

 

I think people see what they want to see.

yes, someone’s pretending spreadsheets > watching the games 😂

[entropyrules]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

yes, someone’s pretending spreadsheets > watching the games 😂

Spreadsheets are the "boss"..they are like Viagra for statisticians

[UKBillFan]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Considering both our punter and our kicker commented on how variable and strong the winds were, if Josh says the wind carried that ball, seems credible.

Diggs had 5 receptions on 9 targets vs. Miami, IIRC at least 2 of those he could have caught.  3 receptions on 5 targets vs. the Jets, 1 scored drop.

 

I think people see what they want to see.

 

Worth remembering Josh had a very sticky regular season last year. Very similar to post bye this time around. I think the frustration is that, before the bye, he seemed to have cleaned a lot of that up.

[Beck Water]

30 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

yes, someone’s pretending spreadsheets > watching the games 😂

 

No one's pretending any such thing

Both matter

 

When you defend someone's post that it's been a long time since Allen has been "banging on all cylinders" and he's regressed this season (regression is a statistical term) with "Remember when he used to throw the ball to Diggs instead of no name Bear linebackers ? " ....

 

you call into question whether you, in fact, do either -

 

- since he was throwing the ball to Diggs, a lot, like, IDK 2 weeks ago

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

No one's pretending any such thing

Both matter

 

When you defend someone's post that it's been a long time since Allen has been "banging on all cylinders" and he's regressed this season (regression is a statistical term, you do know that?) with "Remember when he used to throw the ball to Diggs instead of no name Bear linebackers ? " you call into question whether you, in fact, do either -

 

- since he was throwing the ball to Diggs, a lot, like, IDK 2 weeks ago

Hahaha this has me cracking up. 
 

Sports fans both misunderstand and overuse the word regression. 

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

The mental side of Josh's game has been as bad as they physical mistake side, which is why I have never accepted the idea that it's "his elbow" that has caused some slumps in his play this year.

 

He hasn't been banging on all cylinders, consistently, for a very long time.

 

IT DOES feel like he has regressed this season in all aspects of the position.  Maybe he really does miss Daboll.  I have no idea!
 

The good news is that "lights out" Josh is in there somewhere, and it can come to the surface at any time.

Last year in the playoffs he was incredible.

 

 

he went through some fairly big struggles last regular season, too.  He’s regressed this season from how he played in the POSTSEASON, sure, but taken as a whole I think he’s improved over where he was in the ‘21 campaign at this point in the seaosn.  (Without having all the numbers in front of me)

[Billsfan1972]

Would love to see a Bills WR go up and make a catch in tight coverage.  Or win a 50/50 ball.  

 

When was the last time any one remembers one.

 

Come Monday I bet (hope I'm wrong), fans grumbling about the balls Chase Higgins.... catch.

 

Oh and how about the Bills defense get an int? Last 6 games the only int was vs. Peterman (and that can't count, can it?😉)