Buffalo News analysis of Tremaine Edmunds this season

[dave mcbride]

I am a little surprised that this piece hasn’t generated a thread, so here goes: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/inside-the-bills-a-remarkable-advanced-stat-shows-tremaine-edmunds-growth-this-season/article_817e855c-88ab-11ed-8c2e-77dd12191e72.html.

 

Lots of interesting stuff in here.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Top of the list to be signed to a long term extension next year imo.  Over Ed Oliver

[K D]

If you did it based on play this season then it would be:

1. Poyer

2. Oliver

3. Edmunds

 

But I think they are going to put more weight on the position and their perceived importance to the defensive scheme so probably:

1. Oliver

2. Edmunds

3. Poyer (probably not able to retain)

 

Edmunds disappears in games and despite his gigantic size he seems to be easily blocked out of plays and isn't a big hitter. He doesn't make the "splash plays" that a star LB should be making. He plays the Kuechly position, he should be gobbling up stats but Milano is far and away the star of the LB's. I think they will sign him and hope that he keeps improving and you can't coach size and he is able to get in the way of a lot of passes without doing much but standing there

[Sharky7337]

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

[wppete]

15 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

If you did it based on play this season then it would be:

1. Poyer

2. Oliver

3. Edmunds

 

But I think they are going to put more weight on the position and their perceived importance to the defensive scheme so probably:

1. Oliver

2. Edmunds

3. Poyer (probably not able to retain)

 

Edmunds disappears in games and despite his gigantic size he seems to be easily blocked out of plays and isn't a big hitter. He doesn't make the "splash plays" that a star LB should be making. He plays the Kuechly position, he should be gobbling up stats but Milano is far and away the star of the LB's. I think they will sign him and hope that he keeps improving and you can't coach size and he is able to get in the way of a lot of passes without doing much but standing there

Poyer has been hurt half the season and he is not getting younger. I think Oliver and Tremaine are must signs. Poyer can walk after this season, let someone else over pay him. 
 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by wppete

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

 

In the AFC the Bills defense has given up the least number of points at 263.

Bengals at 306.

Chiefs at 332.

The Dolphins are the worse in the AFC with 370 points.

 

Bills lead the NFL in Net Points with 157.  Defense still matters in my book.

[dave mcbride]

16 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

Tell that to the 49ers!

[hemma]

Paywall

[peterpan]

27 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

I kinda feel the same way.  Poyer is the best of the three listed above but also pretty old now.  How much stellar play does he have left?

 

Oliver is not an every down player where both Edmonds and poyer are.

 

I didn’t notice too much of a drop off when Klein started for Edmonds and he was signed off another teams practice squad.  Again I think most of that is - defenses aren’t allowed to stop offenses anymore.

[Neo]

41 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

 

Edmunds disappears in games and despite his gigantic size he seems to be easily blocked out of plays and isn't a big hitter. He doesn't make the "splash plays" that a star LB should be making. He plays the Kuechly position, he should be gobbling up stats but Milano is far and away the star of the LB's. I think they will sign him and hope that he keeps improving and you can't coach size and he is able to get in the way of a lot of passes without doing much but standing there

 

All due respect to you, but I think I’d describe your view as “Edmunds doesn’t do what you want to see him do because he’s busy doing what Frazier wants him to do.”  I’m an old school, splash play, big hit, linebacker fan with memories back to Ray Nitschke.  Edmunds does something completely different and the rest of the defenders have options they’d not have if he wasn’t covering acres playing the pass and the run, sideline to sideline, from the line of scrimmage with short and intermediate drops. I see the board split not as pro or con Edmunds, but as understand or not his role.

 

IMHO …. respectfully.

Edited December 31, 2022 by Neo

[strive_for_five_guy]

I’d be shocked if Oliver gets an extension before Edmunds.  Beane HAS to make a decision on Edmunds this offseason or he’s gone.  We still have the 5th year option on Oliver.  Given Edmunds is entering his prime years and he’s having his best season, and is essentially the QB of the defense, I’d also be surprised if Beane and McD don’t do everything they can to retain his services.

[Governor]

7 minutes ago, Neo said:

 

All due respect to you, but I think I’d describe your view as “Edmunds doesn’t do what you want to see him do because he’s busy doing what Frazier wants him to do.”  I’m an old school, splash play, big hit, linebacker fan with memories back to Ray Nitschke.  Edmunds does something completely different and the rest of the defenders have options they’d not have if he wasn’t covering acres playing the pass and the run, sideline to sideline, fro, the line of scrimmage with short and intermediate drops. I see the board split not as pro or con Edmunds, but as understand or not his role.

 

IMHO …. respectfully.

We understand his role. The problem is that he doesn’t make the play when the ball or ball carrier enters his area of the field.

[Mr. WEO]

I'm here for the fresh Edmunds takes

[Brand J]

Edmunds has had a fine season, but when we were getting gashed by the Dolphins, I felt it was exhibit A of why he shouldn’t get a substantial $14M/yr+ contract after this season. Allocate that money to the offense, specifically OL, and let Bernard or a rookie compete with AJK for the position opposite Milano. Sure the defense won’t be as strong, but seeing as how they never really shut down a top offense, it’s better to get Josh the help he needs to sustain a high level of play.
For a team up against the salary cap, tough decisions will be made…

[HOUSE]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I'm here for the fresh Edmunds takes

Some people actually like him now 

[BruceVilanch]

A new Edmunds thread is my favorite birthday gift so far today.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

 

Balance. Our offense was good enough to beat KC in the playoffs last year. Defense, not so much.

 

 

[Airseven]

My superficial impression is that Edmunds has been solid in all aspects and far beyond replacement. I hope they find a way to franchise him and buy another year to decide on long-term investment.

[benderbender]

5 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

A new Edmunds thread is my favorite birthday gift so far today.

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

I was all for signing these defensive core players, but after watching games, does it even really matter? I feel like you cannot stop the good offenses much anyways. I think I'd rather spend the money on offense.

 

 

Philosophically there is something to this

I love our D and the players on it. When the playoffs hit and Mahomes (or Allen) are locked in, the defense just doesn't appear to matter.

 

I watch Philly's offensive line and wonder why we shouldn't go all in on doing something like that, at the expense of almost anything.