Would you consider the Boogie Basham pick to be a disappointment?

[JohnNord]

I re-watched the Bills/Bears game the other day and noticed a few nice reps from Kingsley Jonathan against a bad OL.  It was impressive to see a guy off the PS flash a bit in his limited opportunities.  He was activated because Boogie Basham was injured and there was basically no drop off between an undrafted DE who bounced between PS’s and a 2nd round draft pick.

 

In my opinion, the selection of Boogie Basham pick is looking very underwhelming. I’m pretty sure the idea that like Rosseau, the idea was to give him a “redshirt” season to learn from vets like Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison to get him ready to contribute in year 2.  The idea was good but the execution was poor.  
 

But after 1 season, Basham was not ready to contribute or to start and the team ended up sinking major assets for another DE in Von Miller.  

I’m kind of wondering why they selected Basham from the start.  Pre-draft one of the things that made him appealing was his ability to be a hybrid DE/DT.  He was supposed to be “pro-ready” and not a project like Rosseau. Yet the Bills had him drop a bunch of weight to be a faster edge rusher which never was his forte.  Essentially making him a project DE.  
 

The returns of the 2nd draft pick is a rotational player who gives you the same production as a replacement level player.  

I guess there’s a chance he can improve a little bit like AJ Epinesa, but when you have street free agents like Shaq Lawson or undrafted practice squad players like Jonathan outplaying you, it’s hard to feel optimistic that a jump is coming in year 3.

Edited December 30, 2022 by JohnNord

[SoCal Deek]

Is this even debatable? As of now…a totally wasted draft pick. 

[balln]

I find it very alarming that they draft

 

AJE - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

bills continue to sign and draft DL

 

Basham  - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

Bills continue to draft DB , sign DL

 

Elam - he’s health scratch despite rookie benford injured and tre white needing more time to come back 

 

Bernard - ooof what a bad pick. 

 

NO wr (aside from shakir who they don’t target) 

 

and we still have to sign or lure out of retirement players like x rhodes CB (who started over Elam who didn’t even dress). Klein Lb. Beasley and John brown. And then this fringe player DE Kingsley who looked more impactful in his FIRST GAME then ppl above

 

ALARMING. It’s part bad draft

selections / falling in love w process guys. Bad coaching decisions / they def play favorites. 

[NewEra]

It was disappointing the second we made the pick.  Always looked like a JAG to me.  I believe he’ll be wearing a different uniform after the 24 season 

[Draconator]

I'd like to say, still in development. But the development time clock is coming to an end.

[Mango]

Let me start by saying I am a big fan of McBeane at scale. 

But...

The redrafting and comitting of resources to the same position groups feels like it is catching up to us. Basham, AJE, Rousseau, and Miller as the 4th highest paid pass rusher. We have done similar with with RB. Now we are going into an offseason with minimal cap space (or kick the can down the road), 20+ UFA's, and big needs at OL and WR. 

 

Ultimately I think Moss, Hines, AJE, and Basham took away the opportunity to help get people in the building for ignored position groups. Getting cute with Hodgins doesn't help either.

 

We also don't seem to get a ton out of a lot of rookie contracts lately until they push the end of the deal and need to be renewed.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Mango

[Aussie Joe]

I was angry when they picked him in the draft thread here… 

 

I also remember a couple of people here that wanted to pick him in the first round…👎

[TheBeaneBandit]

It all goes back to passing on Creed. Right now he could be killing it at RG while Bates was at LG (we coulda skipped Saffold) patiently waiting to slide in for Mitch......😤

[balln]

Ed Oliver pick was bad. Go look at that draft and see what they passed up DL/D wise 

[uticaclub]

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

[Process]

Lol what? 

[Mango]

4 minutes ago, balln said:

I find it very alarming that they draft

 

AJE - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

bills continue to sign and draft DL

 

Basham  - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

Bills continue to draft DB , sign DL

 

Elam - he’s health scratch despite rookie benford injured and tre white needing more time to come back 

 

Bernard - ooof what a bad pick. 

 

NO wr (aside from shakir who they don’t target) 

 

and we still have to sign or lure out of retirement players like x rhodes CB (who started over Elam who didn’t even dress). Klein Lb. Beasley and John brown. And then this fringe player DE Kingsley who looked more impactful in his FIRST GAME then ppl above

 

ALARMING. It’s part bad draft

selections / falling in love w process guys. Bad coaching decisions / they def play favorites. 

 

 

I agree with this. Unsure if alarming is the word I would choose but I think I agree with the sentiment. 

Signing Beasley and Brown is needed but is also seems dumb. They might not be on the 53, but they take spots on game day. Neither are as good Hodgins. The Bills have made a few bad roster choices that they have and will have to make up for in cap dollars, re-signings, and drafting. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I was angry when they picked him in the draft thread here… 

 

I also remember a couple of people here that wanted to pick him in the first round…👎

 

I am not a draft guru, but my immediate thoughts were "if we are lucky he will be as good as Chris Kelsay. He still isn't as good....

[Matt_In_NH]

2 minutes ago, balln said:

Ed Oliver pick was bad. Go look at that draft and see what they passed up DL/D wise 

If we can live in hindsight we would have HOF level players at every position.  You make the decision with the information you have at the time.

[T master]

9 minutes ago, balln said:

I find it very alarming that they draft

 

AJE - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

bills continue to sign and draft DL

 

Basham  - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

Bills continue to draft DB , sign DL

 

Elam - he’s health scratch despite rookie benford injured and tre white needing more time to come back 

 

Bernard - ooof what a bad pick. 

 

NO wr (aside from shakir who they don’t target) 

 

and we still have to sign or lure out of retirement players like x rhodes CB (who started over Elam who didn’t even dress). Klein Lb. Beasley and John brown. And then this fringe player DE Kingsley who looked more impactful in his FIRST GAME then ppl above

 

ALARMING. It’s part bad draft

selections / falling in love w process guys. Bad coaching decisions / they def play favorites. 

 

Fire them all starting with Beane then McD they don't have a clue  how to draft players !! Oh wait our record is what ?

 

Oh Yah 12 & 3 & we have won the AFC east division 3 yrs in a row & have been in the play offs ever since McD & Beane have been here . 🤔

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

 

Have to agree…

 

Beane has been good, but his drafting has resulted in more “average” to “about average”  players than “great” to “elite” players.

[JohnNord]

12 minutes ago, balln said:

I find it very alarming that they draft

 

AJE - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

bills continue to sign and draft DL

 

Basham  - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

Bills continue to draft DB , sign DL

 

Elam - he’s health scratch despite rookie benford injured and tre white needing more time to come back 

 

Bernard - ooof what a bad pick. 

 

NO wr (aside from shakir who they don’t target) 

 

and we still have to sign or lure out of retirement players like x rhodes CB (who started over Elam who didn’t even dress). Klein Lb. Beasley and John brown. And then this fringe player DE Kingsley who looked more impactful in his FIRST GAME then ppl above

 

ALARMING. It’s part bad draft

selections / falling in love w process guys. Bad coaching decisions / they def play favorites. 

 

I’ve always thought that it was a really bad sign when you make your high round draft picks a healthy scratch - especially at positions of need

[Einstein]

 

I also wish Beane would pull the trigger on trades more. Wish we got Von in the trade that LA pulled off last year. I think we have a trophy if he did that.

[WideNine]

I was hoping for Creed, and was so happy when he fell to where we could nab him that any other pick was jaded for me.

 

Boogie seemed like a reach to me, but then again so did Oliver where they picked him.

 

I can't fault this team just for the misses though, when the same evaluators are the ones that targeted Groot when other teams whiffed on him.

 

They do tend to find more than their share of projects that need long runways to get up to NFL speed.

 

Oliver again seems to finally be coming into his own after being pretty underwhelming his first few seasons.

 

That really bites into the cap advantage of riding out the rookie deals with guys that can contribute early.

 

 

[balln]

2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

If we can live in hindsight we would have HOF level players at every position.  You make the decision with the information you have at the time.

Yea he’s 6 feet tall. Undersized from a mid major. With ok but not elite production 

 

I’ll take the 6’4 monsters from Clemson and bama picked after him that have been much better pros 

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

 

I can half get behind this. There have been some mistakes. But you can't throw out Allen, Milano, Edmunds (who is coming to life), Rousseau. 

We are just at a moment where some roster and draft choices are compounding issues. Part of it is we dedicate a lot of vet special team players rather than using special teams as a proving ground to get better. Milano is a good example of that, but we don't have many other examples since 2017. 

 

With all of our continued offensive line and run game woes we have actually had one of the highest paid OL, DL, and LB corp on a number of seasons. Cap allocation is part of the total picture. We continue to devote resources without return.