Buddo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 TBH, I'd prioritise O-Line, specifically a guard/center, over a WR. It's not that having another good WR isn't something I want, it's more that currently, you can find them all over the place. My preference would be for a larger bodied guy, with a big catch radius, as that gives us something different to what we have, but it isn't a prerequisite. We have a distinct need for a Guard/Center, as Morse isn't going to be playing for that much longer. I'm pretty comfortable with Bates at center, tbh, but if he slides across, we still need another guard. While this years 'class' at WR may not be as good as some recent ones, there will still be plenty of options to take a decent one, through the first 3 rounds at least. If, wherever we pick in the 1st round, it's a coice between a Guard/ Center, and a WR with the same 'value', I'm taking the Guard this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: How many Superbowls did Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers win? 2020-2021 Chiefs don't have dual #1 WR's...one is a TE which are cheaper than #1 WR's. No one is paying a TE $30M a season like Hill got. Go back and look at all the Superbowl winners of the past 25 years. Count how many of them had 2 top #1 WR's on them in their prime. You would have a hard case even saying 1 did. As someone quickly said...Fix the OL. Yes, we can use another WR in the draft, but absolutely not are we going to sign another top tier free agent WR for big money. We do not have that luxury. Miami, Cincy, and LAC can do it because they have QB's on rookie deals. And I don't know I would even say LAC has two #1 WR's, Mike Williams is overrated and overpaid. But they are paying him like one. KC had both Kelce and Hill when Mahomes was on his rookie deal, once his new deal kicked in they traded Hill rather than paying him the absurd contract he got. Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out post! I agree with most of what you said except: Tampa Bay had 3 #1’s, Rams arguably had 2 #1’s who played against the Bengals who arguably had 2 #1’s. To your point on Kelsey, I somewhat agree. He’s probably the most underpaid player in the NFL considering he’s been top 10 in receiving yards and TD’s over the last 4 years and makes a fraction of what WR’s do. And I agree that the Bills won’t sign a top tier WR for big money, but they might be able to find one on the cheap that want to play on a SB caliber team. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out post! I agree with most of what you said except: Tampa Bay had 3 #1’s, Rams arguably had 2 #1’s who played against the Bengals who arguably had 2 #1’s. Tampa had 3? I don’t know I would classify Godwin as a #1 WR personally, and he wasn’t being paid like one during that SB. Not sure who the third “#1” WR is. Godwin is a very good #2, but I don’t think he would thrive as the primary feature target. TB had one IMO in Evan’s, and then some good players around him and Brady at RB, WR, and TE. Robert Woods has never been a true #1 WR, so Rams didn’t have that either. I think you are mixing up having a good #2 WR with having two top #1 WRs like Miami has right now. Bengals do, but they didn’t win the SB. 4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: To your point on Kelsey, I somewhat agree. He’s probably the most underpaid player in the NFL considering he’s been top 10 in receiving yards and TD’s over the last 4 years and makes a fraction of what WR’s do. And I agree that the Bills won’t sign a top tier WR for big money, but they might be able to find one on the cheap that want to play on a SB caliber team. We will see. Kelce is obviously an elite player, but when it comes to signing a WR who is a true number 1, it’s going to cost more than a TE. We might sign someone, but it will be a complimentary player, not a top level #1 premiere free agent. Most likely we will draft someone instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Hey I may be the only one thinking it but damn kind of wish we would have let isiah hodgins loose now? kid is ripping it up in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Hey I may be the only one thinking it but damn kind of wish we would have let isiah hodgins loose now? kid is ripping it up in NJ No he’s not-he has a couple of touchdowns but that’s it. 3 touchdowns and 350 yards is a really low bar to set for someone ripping it up. Before last game he he never topped 45 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said: No he’s not-he has a couple of touchdowns but that’s it. 3 touchdowns and 350 yards is a really low bar to set for someone ripping it up. Before last game he he never topped 45 yards How many games has he played in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Drew21PA said: How many games has he played in? He’s played in 8 games. If he was getting 30-40 yards per game with the Bills people on here would be wondering why he’s out on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Ok so I’ll say the first 2-3 limited reps they are increasing and so is his oroduction 3 tds in say 6 full time go ganes close to 9 tds a year and by your estimation around 800 yards rec. pace ehhhh I’ll take that production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I would prefer this team boost the play of the Oline and get a cheaper vet slot WR. I know a lot of people are down on Davis but I think he is a fine WR2 and next season could breakout as he now has a full season getting a larger workload. Davis this year in 16 games is going to finish with about 800-950 yards and 8-10 TD’s, that’s not the breakout I wanted but it is a respectable WR2 season esp given the fact that he was banged up early in the season. Diggs is a quality WR1 and Mac a good gadget WR and Knox at TE brings some good pass catching ability to the offense. If this team has a respectable and reliable slot WR the offense would have enough firepower. The team doesn’t need to go big game hunting for a WR1A when the Oline is a far bigger issue and a reliable slot WR would be a cheaper fix to the consistency of the passing offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Ok so I’ll say the first 2-3 limited reps they are increasing and so is his oroduction 3 tds in say 6 full time go ganes close to 9 tds a year and by your estimation around 800 yards rec. pace ehhhh I’ll take that production Just one final thing with this. He’s playing as their #2 receiver right now. He wouldn’t be getting that much playing time in Buffalo. Seems like an alright player, I’m sure he will be in the league a couple more years, but he was never going to produce here (which is why he rarely was active on game days). I would be shocked if he Evers tops 600-700 yards in a season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) On 12/29/2022 at 12:46 PM, John from Riverside said: The bills are not going to have money to sign a big name free agent anyway could be the reason why they were hoping for Gabe Davis to be able to step up and take that number to roll If we decide to not extend Gabe i could see us go after a top WR, just not the huge names like Hopkins or Evans. Thinking a level down like the Hollywood Brown, Aj Brown type deals we saw last offseason. We revolve around Josh. We could choose not to be patient in drafting one, our window is now. Could make a similar signing, draft OL early and often and choose to let Gabe play out and Ed Oliver move on Edited December 31, 2022 by BillsShredder83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 On 12/29/2022 at 10:43 AM, Bangarang said: Fix. The. O-line. Yep OL (1-FA 1-Draft). WR (Draft). S (probably Draft). Fill in some depth holes with the rest of the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 The whole push for OBJ when we didn’t know if he would be ready by January was for the premise made by the OP. GD is a good number 3 and so on, and needed a #2. It’s a moot point at this time as he’s not going to be ready so we go with what we have and there is no wish list for OL or anything else at this time. We’ll win or lose on what we have on the current roster. Everything else is an off season conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/30/2022 at 9:47 PM, ganesh said: We have drafted Cook for exactly that reason. The Bills are using the Patriots approach to develop their game around the QB. They used a ton of RBs, Slot receivers and TEs to keep everything off balance. They never had big bodied WR other than Moss. They mostly threw to Welker and then to Edelman and Gronkowski, They always had a stable of small backs that were very fast. Cool turning into that elite player would be amazing and not out of question either. The only thing I see about Cook being a slight issue, is Allen would need to do a better job of looking his way earlier on certain down/distances. Allen tends to look deep first, which is why I would prefer that additional elite weapon to be a wr, preferably a 1B to Digg’s 1A. It would compliment Allen as he plays currently a bit better. However, I believe the more explosive Cook shows himself to be, that should help Allen look his way more often. Hopefully someone emerges down the stretch/playoffs who we can feel good about for next year, but unless someone steps up, I hope we continue our search for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/31/2022 at 5:03 AM, LeGOATski said: I think the Bills intend to do this by drafting a WR early. They brought in Kromer with the hopes of doing more with less on the O line, that way they can grab a top skill player in the draft, be it WR or RB. I may be in the minority, but I consider Knox an elite weapon opposite Diggs. The Bills could choose to make him more of a target instead of keeping him in to block so much. I certainly he has the potential to be an elite weapon and I was really hoping to see him or Davis break out into a bonafide elite player this year (or anyone else, but those two seemed to have the highest probability). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/29/2022 at 4:27 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: It is actually financially impossible to do this in today’s NFL. If you look at the teams with an elite QB and two #1 WR’s, two of the three players in that trio are on rookie deals (cincy, Miami, Philly). The Chiefs realized this and that’s why they jettisoned Hill and kept Kelce as their number 1. I think the chiefs model is the right one— pay your franchise QB and number 1, and then fill in the rest with complimentary high-pick rookies and modest short-term free agents. If you don’t do that, you won’t have enough money to field a good line or good defense. This is why I was against the OBJ signing. A team can only afford so many big money contracts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/31/2022 at 2:50 PM, Ya Digg? said: Just one final thing with this. He’s playing as their #2 receiver right now. He wouldn’t be getting that much playing time in Buffalo. Seems like an alright player, I’m sure he will be in the league a couple more years, but he was never going to produce here (which is why he rarely was active on game days). I would be shocked if he Evers tops 600-700 yards in a season Well well well pretty consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I don’t think it’s a “concept”. Bengals run 3 nasty WR’s. We are behind in the arms race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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