Leslie Frazier expected to be "in the mix" for Broncos HC job

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

Didn't the Bills drive down the field to win that game. The Lions game started with about 20-25 seconds. Then Josh hit Diggs with the long pass immediately. Similar to 13 seconds. The Ravens game the Bills had more time.

Yes ravens had more time. But it was also 20-0 for Ravens. That elite defense should lock down that win right?  
 

the league has switched to Offense being much more important. So a 13 second comeback to tie a game or have a walkoff winning FG isn’t out of the normal anymore. 

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yes ravens had more time. But it was also 20-0 for Ravens. That elite defense should lock down that win right?  
 

the league has switched to Offense being much more important. So a 13 second comeback to tie a game or have a walkoff winning FG isn’t out of the normal anymore. 

 

Yes, they should have. Coming back from 20-0 is impressive. The Lions game resembled the Chiefs game. Chiefs tie it up starting a drive with 13 seconds left. Bills break a tie starting a drive with 20-25 seconds.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, gjv said:

Frazier has earned a chance to be an HC. On a selfish note, I don't want to see him leave his role as DC with the Bills. I think he has done an outstanding job crafting top defenses year after year with average to above-average talent.

and add all those injuries to key players...Hyde, Poyer, Oliver, Miller, Edmunds, Milano, White,  Phillips, Rosseau, Epenesa all have missed games during the regular season and yet they are 3 plays away from being 15-0. 

[klos63]

9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

They’ll hire a young offensive guru type. No issues with Denver D. Their offense is pathetic. 

A guy like Hackett?

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

A guy like Hackett?

Hahahaha. Kind of like that , just one that is actually good at coaching. 

[klos63]

5 hours ago, Nelius said:

I wish Leslie all the best and hope he gets a head coaching job somewhere, I just don't want to see him go to the ownership dumpster fire that is Denver. All of that fighting and nonsense on the sidelines is a trickle down from the years of chaos since Bowlen's death. The Russ deal being the centerpiece. He can't save Denver, don't even try.

The ownership has been there less than a year. They weren't the ones that hired Hackett.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

It offers him a shot though, right? 

 

To have success as a Head Coach is the ultimate win, it's what virtually every coach wants and my understanding is that Frazier is no different, and I don't blame him for a second. He's not necessarily going to have his pick of multiple jobs here if he even does get an offer.

 

Best case scenario, Denver is set up to be a place where you provide some stability and then you get fired for somebody to make them competitive. 

 

Like you said, success as a head coach is the goal. There is no success for a 63 DC in that role. He will not compete for a Super Bowl there. Job interviews are two way interviews. You don't have to take or even want every job you are offered. If coaching was still my profession I would run far far away from the Broncos right now.

 

To sweeten the pot, the HC and GM will role up to different people. 
 

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Mango

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

Russ is absolutely fixable, but you have to get it through to him that his strengths are not as a pocket passer. Then a coach has to bring in an OC that will run the only offense that he was successful in that has very simple reads and allows for a lot of off-schedule plays (letting Russ cook). Darrell Bevell, the coach who scouted and drafted Wilson and developed the offense that led Russ to the SB, is currently QB coach in Miami and would probably take that OC job in Denver.

 

The problem with that is he is noticeably less mobile than he was. He isn't anywhere near the elusive runner he was as peak Russ. I think if you are going to make it work it is going to need to be largely from the pocket and that is what makes it challenging because you are right that was never really the basis of his game.

[JohnNord]

11 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Here we go again...Frazier apparently a candidate for every HC job but always gets passed over for a young offensive coach it seems...

 

Given +1600 odds to become next Bronco coach...Payton odds on favorite at +400 but that doesn't make any sense to me...complete scheme mismatch with Wilson.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bills-leslie-frazier-early-odds-171551834.html

The move for Leslie would be to hire Brian Scottenheimer as OC from Dallas who previously had some success with Russ in Seattle.  I think this is going to be Dan Quinn’s move though, and he seems to be the one everyone is thinking for HC

[PauleeeWalnuts]

That’s a dumpster fire out there, I would hope he could land a more stable situation 

[RoyBatty is alive]

Leslie Frazier would be a HUGE mistake to take the Denver job.

 

Frazier is a defensive coach,   They need a coach that can "fix" Russell Wilson.  Denver defense is not the issue.

 

Secondly, who wants to go to a division with two great QBs, Herbert and Mahomes, and one good QB in Carr.

[HOUSE]

Any assistant head coach that accepts a head coaching job WITHOUT a top Quarterback already on the roster is crazy

Your self life is maybe 2 years.

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, PaulieYayo said:

That’s a dumpster fire out there, I would hope he could land a more stable situation 

Agreed.

 

They swung on Wilson and missed, spent a lot of $ and draft capital.  Be several years for any coach to recover esp in the conference.

[wppete]

Happy hope he gets a job. We need a change at DC. We need a young guy leading the D. 

[Big Turk]

47 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Best case scenario, Denver is set up to be a place where you provide some stability and then you get fired for somebody to make them competitive. 

 

Like you said, success as a head coach is the goal. There is no success for a 63 DC in that role. He will not compete for a Super Bowl there. Job interviews are two way interviews. You don't have to take or even want every job you are offered. If coaching was still my profession I would run far far away from the Broncos right now.

 

To sweeten the pot, the HC and GM will role up to different people. 
 

 

 

Sounds exactly like what happened with Pegula and Rex. That worked out great.

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They tried that last year with Bridgewater. It didn't work. The other thing was Fangio was his in game decision making sucked. Great defensive mind. Built a fantastic young defense. But couldn't get a Quarterback and mismanaged games on gameday.

I did forget about Bridgewater. In that last season with Fangio, the Broncos played better with him and played hard right to the end and did some good things, but it wasn’t enough. 
 

Re the in-game mismanagement, I think that is par for the course for most NFL coaches, IMO. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Leslie Frazier would be a HUGE mistake to take the Denver job.

 

Frazier is a defensive coach,   They need a coach that can "fix" Russell Wilson.  Denver defense is not the issue.

 

Secondly, who wants to go to a division with two great QBs, Herbert and Mahomes, and one good QB in Carr.

He’d probably turn that job down honestly…this would be his last chance probably 

[First Round Bust]

if you narrow it to a coach decision Frazier is not going to bubble-up to the top of the candidate list...if you want to build a foundation first where culture comes next to find and develop good people and decisions, then maybe he has a chance...

 

I wouldnt mind him moving on for multiple good reasons, including draft choice...but first we got some business to take care of...hopefully two playoff games at home

[nosejob]

I think his best fit would be the Bears. He can rebrand himself and be the Sage in building a new Bears Defense. They can market the heck out of new takes on Monsters of the midway. Sell seats and merch. He could prove he's the guru and not just marching to someone else's philosophy.

 

The Bears will be going all out to build their D this year.  I haven't looked at the coaching situation, just think that would be the best scenario and probably the only chance he would have.

[frostbitmic]

3 hours ago, eball said:

Since this is the Broncos and I’m a Bills fan, should I be “paying attention” to this thread?

 

 

Yep.  I watched a bit of NFL Network yesterday after the firing was announced and one of their analysts (sorry, can’t remember name) said he has watched all of Russ’ tape this year and thinks he has fallen off the cliff.  It wasn’t meant to be a hot take; he said he really can’t remember a QB “losing it” as quickly as Wilson has.  That’s scary for Denver if true.

 

 

I know he was injured a lot in his final season in Seattle but it looked like a lesser Wilson before he got hurt. This year he looked worse and I'm sure new system and new HC were a large part of the problem, but he just doesn't look like the Wilson of old. I think the Seahawks made out like bandits in the Wilson deal.