TUA in Concussion Protocol Again!

[DJB]

Anyone know when the funeral is? 

[Malazan]

every time I see this thread on the front page again.. I think it's a new one and am like, "Oh, he must have got another one today. Did he eat his ice cream too fast?"

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, benderbender said:

Considering concussion symptoms aren't always immediate, and he's already had clear concussion symptoms dismissed before, then actually was concussed; yes, I would assume they'd be watching for his head slamming on the turf. His fragile melon in particular. Are you telling me that the observers aren't looking for head contacting the ground? They're only looking for the birdies and stars to spin around above his head like a Bugs Bunny cartoon?

 

How many players have had concussions in the NFL? How do you decide who to pull based on a routine play?

 

The NFLPA made it clear they did not want players to be targeted because it could potentially cost them money and contract length if players with previous concussions could be pulled every time they hit their head.

 

They specifically wanted the spotters looking for signs.  If there are no signs - don’t pull him and the teams and players are responsible for identifying issues afterwards.

 

 

[Sjwalker1]

I'm sure it's just like before they want to get in the playoffs and that coach just like the jets coach don't really give a dam about a player making millions of dollars to play

[Sjwalker1]

On 12/27/2022 at 6:19 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If it did occur in the first half and he played the second half, shame on Miami and McDaniel. McDaniel is proving he is in over his head. 

 

On 12/27/2022 at 6:12 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Holy hell. If this is true what the hell happened during the game to allow him to keep playing??

 
of course mcdainels is over his head. How could any player respect a coach that is everyone's buddy plus he looks like a freaking sickly weasel on the sideline 

[The Red King]

Apparently Tua and his teammates are all it's us against the world.  He's not done!

 

He's gonna get killed at this rate.

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Malazan said:

every time I see this thread on the front page again.. I think it's a new one and am like, "Oh, he must have got another one today. Did he eat his ice cream too fast?"

Well, it's now been 3 major events, separated by a handful of weeks.

 

He should have sat out the season after getting the first two so quickly in succession.

 

And so now he has the third.  He'll get the fourth even easier.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

14 hours ago, DJB said:

Anyone know when the funeral is? 

I think all they have to do is remove his spleen…,  

 

 

the funeral for Tua’s career as a starter is next year…,

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Well, it's now been 3 major events, separated by a handful of weeks.

 

He should have sat out the season after getting the first two so quickly in succession.

 

And so now he has the third.  He'll get the fourth even easier.

 

 

 

Just ask Mitch Morse

[Rochesterfan]

16 hours ago, DrPJax said:

     They did not have to make up anything , that whiplash of his head off turf, FOR A PLAYER ITH TWO KNOWN CONCUSSIONS IN A SHORT SPAN THIS YEAR BY VERY SIMILAR WHIPLASH INJURIES, ESP THE TEAMS REACTION TO THE MILANO HIT WHICH TRIGGERED ALL THE CONTROVERSY, is a simple observation IF THEIR OBSERVATION PEOPLE WERE PROPERLY TRAINED and as I said in a prior solution, they have enough observers for this type of speed and impact game.  
 

     His head bounced with his occipital area slamming into the turf , exactly the mechanism involved with the Milano hit !  IF THE PROTOCOL was correctly done, he needed to be pulled into the tent or locker room after that hit and checked with  physical and cognitive testing.   IF THEY did do that, then I would say things worked as the algorithm is supposed too. He may not have had symptoms until the following day , but if they did NOT do the formal physical and cognitive exams required after the whiplash injury ( and the observers must know those who are higher risk as that’s one of the reasons for the protocol , to prevent second impact syndrome. Eg. Morse should be  watched more closely than other line players , medicine is about assessing risk as it is not an exact science like repairing a car.   Medicine HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT RISK STRATIFICATION.  WE CAN ALL AGREE AS another example a healthy childs risk of death from a certain virus  approaches zero , while a 96 year old with co morbidities is unlikely to survive the same infection). One with prior similar concussions is at higher risk and so the threshold for exam is lowered and thats just basic medicine , Med student level type analytical taught processing. 
 

     If they pulled Tua aside after the whiplash , then the system is working and it’s possible he was fine and later developed symptoms.  I may Be wrong as I didn’t watch that whole game , but I was under the impression he wasn’t examined at all after that head impact , and was only placed in the protocol after self reporting symptoms the following day. This is about player health and you don’t do the protocol SOMETIMES.  It’s with ANY  observed impact that could cause a concussion and cognitive testing is part of that.  If the NFL is stating THAT hit is not the type that needed follow up in a player with a recent history of concussions, I call BS and it’s just another example of inadequate preparation and training of observers and probably proof the observers are understaffed.   Players have to also have skin in self reporting and there has to be documented poof they are being checked at intervals ( like half time for at risk players) or asking about symptoms DID NOT  happen.   The NFL protects THE NFL BOTTOM LINE , and they usually have to keep being dragged into progress fully.  

 

This is just wrong for the protocol.  The “whiplash” and hitting of the head has no impact on the observer deciding if they enter protocol or not.  It doesn’t matter if it is his first and he has no documented concussions or if it is Tua or Morse with documented history - the hit to the head is irrelevant- they must show some signs/symptoms for the observer to pull him.

 

Therefore; your whole premise that “IF THEIR OBSERVATION PEOPLE WERE PROPERLY TRAINED” is totally wrong.  The observers are properly trained and per the NFL and more importantly the NFLPA - the observers followed protocol correctly and there was no issue with the play.

 

Again - when Mitch Morse got his last concussion - he was not pulled by observers - he felt symptoms and self reported during the game.  There is no reason that Tua couldn’t do the same.  
 

As the NFLPA stated - the protocol was followed and there was nothing done wrong.  The NFLPA has also stated they are 100% against stratification of players to identify concussions because it will impact contracts as those players are more likely to be pulled for no reason mid-game.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

From todays Athletic, an article talking about he last big big Bills-Bengals game in 1988 playoffs.  The way the game was back then:

 

A Wil Wolford quote: I don’t really remember the game very well because in the second quarter I’m trying to make a tackle on an interception and I got knocked out cold. I remember getting ready to make a tackle and the next thing I know I’m on the ground looking up, and Joe Kelly is dancing over me like a prizefighter. He hit me from the side and I never saw it coming. I stumbled toward Cincinnati’s bench. They’re all laughing. I’m not sure who got me straight to come back over to our sideline. Back then, concussions were not an injury. I kept playing but I don’t remember much, and it was not very good.

 

Couple other interesting quotes from the article:

 

Thurman Thomas:  I remember saying to myself, “If we got this far, what can be our limit?” We got the AFC Championship Game with Jim throwing 15 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Today, you’d be in last place!

 

This quote may explain why Boomer Esiason doesn't seem to be a real big Bills fan: At least (the Seahawks) tried doing it on the field of play as opposed to some other teams that tried to do it in the commissioner’s office and then STEAL the concept … and go on to four straight Super Bowls.

Didn't remember this but couple hours prior to kickoff Levy had petitioned the NFL to outlaw the No-Huddle

 

https://theathletic.com/4048401/2023/01/02/bills-bengals-afc-championship/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

 

 

[Saint Doug]

On 12/31/2022 at 6:42 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

They have to show signs - motor impairment, stumbling, looking dazed, going toward 5he wrong sideline or huddle, not looking stable, ataxia, etc. and Tua showed none of that.

But do they? The Dolphins already have shown even this doesn’t cut it. So, I’m not going to rely on them to pick up subtle clues. 

[FilthyBeast]

Tua situation is very unfortunate and has essentially derailed the Dolphins season at this point.

 

Hope this kid can get healthy and better prepared in the offseason for the rigors of a 17 week NFL season because the talent is there for the Dolphins to be one of the league's truly elite teams and they were certainly on that path this season.

[Franco_92]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Tua situation is very unfortunate and has essentially derailed the Dolphins season at this point.

 

Hope this kid can get healthy and better prepared in the offseason for the rigors of a 17 week NFL season because the talent is there for the Dolphins to be one of the league's truly elite teams and they were certainly on that path this season.

lmfao 

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Tua situation is very unfortunate and has essentially derailed the Dolphins season at this point.

 

Hope this kid can get healthy and better prepared in the offseason for the rigors of a 17 week NFL season because the talent is there for the Dolphins to be one of the league's truly elite teams and they were certainly on that path this season.

 

Better prepared in the offseason for the inevitable concussions ? What would you suggest he do ? 

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

But do they? The Dolphins already have shown even this doesn’t cut it. So, I’m not going to rely on them to pick up subtle clues. 

 

Yes they do.  Even the NFLPA agreed that protocols were followed in the Bills game.  He stumbled - they tested him for a concussion and he passed - they used an additional loophole to get him back on the field and have since closed that loophole.

 

If they show no signs the independent team should not be responsible for pulling the player.  If they show no signs on the field it becomes important for the player, his teammates, and the coaching and training staff to help identify a situation.

 

Again - even in the GB game the NFLPA found nothing wrong and they have the most to gain.  
 

Things happen and symptoms develop sometimes 2 or 4 or even 24 hours later - how teams handle it at that point when presented is the key.

 

 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Tua situation is very unfortunate and has essentially derailed the Dolphins season at this point.

 

Hope this kid can get healthy and better prepared in the offseason for the rigors of a 17 week NFL season because the talent is there for the Dolphins to be one of the league's truly elite teams and they were certainly on that path this season.

 

The Elite Dolphins didnt lose 4 straight because of a Tua concussion.  They lost 4 straight because they werent playing the Chicago's of the world.  The only path they were on is taking some teams by surprise before they got figured out and playing bad teams after they got figured out.

[Playoffs?]

The dolphins leadership cannot afford to miss the playoffs after an 8-3 start. I would be very shocked to see Tua not cleared for next Sunday’s game.

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

The dolphins leadership cannot afford to miss the playoffs after an 8-3 start. I would be very shocked to see Tua not cleared for next Sunday’s game.

 

I could still see Miami losing to the Jets. That D is legit.  Just need White to not turn over the football.

[Saint Doug]

28 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I could still see Miami losing to the Jets. That D is legit.  Just need White to not turn over the football.

They’ll throw him around like a rag doll again. It’s really not the players fault, but I imagine someone is going to get the distinction of ending this guy’s career, perhaps in an ugly way.