TUA in Concussion Protocol Again!

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41 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't let people borrow anything.  I'm afraid of not getting it back. 🤪

Ummmm... that would be a "loaner". For the record, I'm banking on a witty reply. 

[Seventeen]

4 minutes ago, nosejob said:

 All he needs is a contract worth a couple of years and at least 20 mil. guaranteed. He's gotta be smart enough to somehow finish out this year without getting hurt. A lingering concussion issue will kill that. A lot of us have had back breaking jobs and worked through pain to bring home a check only to have that haunt us years later....or surgeries forcing a change of careers. I just don't think he'll have that wisdom until it's too late....and unfortunately, the bosses never care. He can be replaced. Just win baby. Get the job done to save the bosses ass.

 

Tua's rookie deal guaranteed him $30mil - even if he only kept half of it after taxes and agent cut, he should be set. And as someone else said, he might be a good fit in the one of the broadcasting booths. 

[nosejob]

22 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Tua's rookie deal guaranteed him $30mil - even if he only kept half of it after taxes and agent cut, he should be set. And as someone else said, he might be a good fit in the one of the broadcasting booths. 

I was not aware of the numbers.... so screw him.

[The Wiz]

25 minutes ago, transient said:

Ummmm... that would be a "loaner". For the record, I'm banking on a witty reply. 

Have you seen the rates recently???  How can I afford a witty reply?

[RocCityRoller]

26 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Tua comes off as an intelligent guy - after 3 concussions (that we know of), I would hope he would speak to those who have been down this road in the NFL and other sports to see what life after football might hold. No amount of $ is worth permanent damage to the brain and I'm sure he knows that. It's the competitor in him that will wake up one day, feel pretty good, and want to get back at it and the docs just might let him. Then #4 comes and maybe #5 ...

 

Hang it up Tua while you can - don't end like Kuechly, Chris Pronger or worse, Steve Montador.

 

I have to agree. And by doing so I think we really need to look skeptically about the Bills handling of Morse too.

 

Morse had 3 concussions in 4 years with KC. 2 in a short span in his rookie year (2015). He should have missed more time after his first IMO.

2015 - week 11 - missed 1 game - cleared protocol to play in week 13

2015 - week 17 - missed playoffs

two in 5-6 weeks - sounds familiar. Had time to rest and recuperate.

 

2018 - week 6 - 5 weeks to return (duration getting longer)

KC declined 5th year option. Signs with Bills. It had been 3 years between concussions.

But the guy did have 3 in 3 years before ever putting on the red, white and blue.

He has had 3 more since in a Buffalo uniform.

 

2019 - Training camp - less than a year from last concussion, missed entire offseason and TC.

2020 - November vs Pats - missed 2 games

 

2021 Draft - Bills could draft Humphrey at #61, draft Boogie Basham instead. KC drafts Humphrey (replaces Morse) at #63. Humphrey to Pro Bowl as a rookie.

2022 Draft - Bills could draft Linderbaum at #23. draft Kaiir Elam instead. Baltimore drafts Linderbaum at #25 (started 15 of 15 games so far),

 

2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games?

 

It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough?

 

TSW like knocking Miami for its handling of Tua. Ironic given Morse.

[Seventeen]

9 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games?

 

It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough?

 

After 6, Mitch should retire - he's made $50mil, has two young ones at home - not worth the added risk.

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I have to agree. And by doing so I think we really need to look skeptically about the Bills handling of Morse too.

 

Morse had 3 concussions in 4 years with KC. 2 in a short span in his rookie year (2015). He should have missed more time after his first IMO.

2015 - week 11 - missed 1 game - cleared protocol to play in week 13

2015 - week 17 - missed playoffs

two in 5-6 weeks - sounds familiar. Had time to rest and recuperate.

 

2021 Draft - Bills could draft Humphrey at #61, draft Boogie Basham instead. KC drafts Humphrey (replaces Morse) at #63. Humphrey to Pro Bowl as a rookie.

 

2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games?

 

It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough?

 

TSW like knocking Miami for its handling of Tua. Ironic given Morse.

Your point about Basham has been my chief complaint for this FO. Missing on top picks then having to re-draft them again has been a problem. 

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

Whether or not he plays, they are still gonna lose to the Pats. If he clears and plays, that's not a good look for the staff in Miami. All the media I've seen (ESPN) crew say it's irresponsible for his future. I get it, he wants that contract money, but if he goes out with another his worth (and his leverage), is cut in half.

 

Look at it this way, if they get one more win, they're likely in anyway. I would hold him out this week and gamble on the win against NY.

yea that’s exactly what I said re-read my comment lol. He sits this week if they lose he’ll be back in next week. If they win this week he sits until the wildcard 

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Edwards got hit a lot because the Bills had a very crappy OL and he wasn't particularly mobile.   It may be that the accumulation of hits that he took all over his body, not just a particular one that caused a concussion, made him gun-shy.

The kids call it seeing ghosts now a days

[JGMcD2]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I have to agree. And by doing so I think we really need to look skeptically about the Bills handling of Morse too.

 

Morse had 3 concussions in 4 years with KC. 2 in a short span in his rookie year (2015). He should have missed more time after his first IMO.

2015 - week 11 - missed 1 game - cleared protocol to play in week 13

2015 - week 17 - missed playoffs

two in 5-6 weeks - sounds familiar. Had time to rest and recuperate.

 

2018 - week 6 - 5 weeks to return (duration getting longer)

KC declined 5th year option. Signs with Bills. It had been 3 years between concussions.

But the guy did have 3 in 3 years before ever putting on the red, white and blue.

He has had 3 more since in a Buffalo uniform.

 

2019 - Training camp - less than a year from last concussion, missed entire offseason and TC.

2020 - November vs Pats - missed 2 games

 

2021 Draft - Bills could draft Humphrey at #61, draft Boogie Basham instead. KC drafts Humphrey (replaces Morse) at #63. Humphrey to Pro Bowl as a rookie.

2022 Draft - Bills could draft Linderbaum at #23. draft Kaiir Elam instead. Baltimore drafts Linderbaum at #25 (started 15 of 15 games so far),

 

2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games?

 

It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough?

 

TSW like knocking Miami for its handling of Tua. Ironic given Morse.

You’re totally not understanding what people are upset at Miami about in their handling of Tua’s concussion.

 

They blatantly ignored the fact he was concussed against Buffalo and allowed him to play the 2nd half.
 

Then he went out on the field 4 days later and got another concussion with a pretty gnarly response that was seen on live TV. 
 

If you can show me where the Bills did that with Morse (leave out the random fluff about Humphrey and Linderbaum) and you’ll have a serious argument.

[purple haze]

On 12/26/2022 at 2:19 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If it did occur in the first half and he played the second half, shame on Miami and McDaniel. McDaniel is proving he is in over his head. 

It’s the spotters who are supposed to see these things and pull players out not the coach.  The spotters were supposed to be an independent eye to get around coaches and players not responding to potential concussions.  

[RocCityRoller]

5 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

You’re totally not understanding what people are upset at Miami about in their handling of Tua’s concussion.

 

They blatantly ignored the fact he was concussed against Buffalo and allowed him to play the 2nd half.
 

Then he went out on the field 4 days later and got another concussion with a pretty gnarly response that was seen on live TV. 
 

If you can show me where the Bills did that with Morse (leave out the random fluff about Humphrey and Linderbaum) and you’ll have a serious argument.

This is the second part of a two part conversation I was having. The person I was replying to and I were having a conversation about our personal experiences with concussions and I made some comparisons with Tua. The thread you replied about Morse is a continuation of that first post. If you go back and read the first reply it will make more sense. Most everything you mentioned about Tua was covered in an earlier post midway through page 13 of this thread, and we agree.

Edited December 28, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, purple haze said:

It’s the spotters who are supposed to see these things and pull players out not the coach.  The spotters were supposed to be an independent eye to get around coaches and players not responding to potential concussions.  

 

The spotters are looking for signs - after hitting his head - Did he stumble, Did he reach up and grab his head, Did he Fence, Did he walk toward the wrong huddle, Did he shake his head as if cobwebs, etc.

 

Since Tua did none of those things - the spotters had absolutely no reason to pull the player.

 

After that - it is 100% on the coaches, teammates, and the player to say something if a player seems off during interactions, huddle, halftime, etc.

 

In this case we have no idea how those interactions went and if he showed any signs, but it was a bit worrisome that in his post game press conference he was having issues talking through a few interceptions and what went wrong.  If there were signs during the game Miami should be in trouble for ignoring them, but based upon everything being said there were no signs.

 

Tua then it sounded like self reported signs the next day - maybe parts of the game were fuzzy, maybe he was having headaches, maybe he was having light sensitivity, etc.  Once reported - per protocol - the Dolphins entered him into concussion protocol and now he will have to clear.

 

In this case - it does not appear the spotters or the NFL did anything wrong.  We do not know what the Dolphins saw in interactions, but it was before halftime so the boy genius Head Coach spent a bunch of time with him so the only potential miss lies with the Dolphins team.

 

 

[DJB]

13 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I don't let people borrow anything.  I'm afraid of not getting it back. 🤪

I let that one guy borrow my wife , never got her back so I see your point 

[atlbillsfan1975]

19 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I have to agree. And by doing so I think we really need to look skeptically about the Bills handling of Morse too.

 

Morse had 3 concussions in 4 years with KC. 2 in a short span in his rookie year (2015). He should have missed more time after his first IMO.

2015 - week 11 - missed 1 game - cleared protocol to play in week 13

2015 - week 17 - missed playoffs

two in 5-6 weeks - sounds familiar. Had time to rest and recuperate.

 

2018 - week 6 - 5 weeks to return (duration getting longer)

KC declined 5th year option. Signs with Bills. It had been 3 years between concussions.

But the guy did have 3 in 3 years before ever putting on the red, white and blue.

He has had 3 more since in a Buffalo uniform.

 

2019 - Training camp - less than a year from last concussion, missed entire offseason and TC.

2020 - November vs Pats - missed 2 games

 

2021 Draft - Bills could draft Humphrey at #61, draft Boogie Basham instead. KC drafts Humphrey (replaces Morse) at #63. Humphrey to Pro Bowl as a rookie.

2022 Draft - Bills could draft Linderbaum at #23. draft Kaiir Elam instead. Baltimore drafts Linderbaum at #25 (started 15 of 15 games so far),

 

2022 - December vs Miami - 6th concussion, not even a violent hit. Missed # games?

 

It's clear as day Morse is going to have more problems with concussions. How many is enough?

 

TSW like knocking Miami for its handling of Tua. Ironic given Morse.

I have to push back on you saying it is ironic how posters here are critical of the way Miami has been handling Tua’s concussions. In fact, go use your timeline of how Morse’s concussions have been handled. He never played in the next game or later in the same game. A person’s health is first and foremost the most important thing. Miami seems to take a “don’t ask/don’t tell approach” when it comes to concussions and their starting QB.

Edited December 28, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

I let that one guy borrow my wife , never got her back so I see your point 

Been there done that🤦‍♂️

[Sestak4ever]

3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

The spotters are looking for signs - after hitting his head - Did he stumble, Did he reach up and grab his head, Did he Fence, Did he walk toward the wrong huddle, Did he shake his head as if cobwebs, etc.

 

Since Tua did none of those things - the spotters had absolutely no reason to pull the player.

 

After that - it is 100% on the coaches, teammates, and the player to say something if a player seems off during interactions, huddle, halftime, etc.

 

In this case we have no idea how those interactions went and if he showed any signs, but it was a bit worrisome that in his post game press conference he was having issues talking through a few interceptions and what went wrong.  If there were signs during the game Miami should be in trouble for ignoring them, but based upon everything being said there were no signs.

 

Tua then it sounded like self reported signs the next day - maybe parts of the game were fuzzy, maybe he was having headaches, maybe he was having light sensitivity, etc.  Once reported - per protocol - the Dolphins entered him into concussion protocol and now he will have to clear.

 

In this case - it does not appear the spotters or the NFL did anything wrong.  We do not know what the Dolphins saw in interactions, but it was before halftime so the boy genius Head Coach spent a bunch of time with him so the only potential miss lies with the Dolphins team.

 

 

Whether he shows signs or not, knowing his recent history the proper thing to do was evaluate him after they witnessed his head slamming off the field. 

[Big Blitz]

Never had any doubt he wasn’t playing Sunday - EDIT I take that back lol

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Big Blitz

[HappyDays]

This isn't exactly the story we got before, is it?

[PrimeTime101]

There is a fan that does a podcast. TD Phins Talk

In this video he proves that he was not feeling the effects of a concussion during the game based on game play. Their fanbase does NOT think he is faking it, BUT they do believe he did not feel the effects till after the game. Also note. IT was not just after the game he told his coaches something was wrong with his head. it was later that night.

 

 

All this being said, I think Tua is a good dude and I think 3 in 3 months... he should retire.

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

This isn't exactly the story we got before, is it?

The part they missing is... Tua went to the teams Doctors... not the other way around.