TUA in Concussion Protocol Again!

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 hours ago, TBBills said:

I didn't see him hit his head at all in the game... I wonder if this is an emotional concussion.

He did. Someone here had the video and called it before he was put in protocol. He supposedly had 3 interceptions after. Miami needs to be sanctioned for this. Total disregard for player safety.  

[Putin]

He sneeze's and gets a concussion !!! 

[Donuts and Doritos]

This is twice by McDaniels & his crew, they've let Tua finish a game only to find out later he had a concussion. NFL is a joke on player safety if they don't step in & investigate. It's either incompetence or deliberate. Either way it's not good & needs to end, pronto.

[BRH]

Does anyone have video of right after the play when Tua got up and went back to the huddle?  Everyone is saying the spotters wouldn’t pull him unless he showed signs of instability.  I’m just wondering if the cameras showed him getting up.  

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

Seems like every other game Allen has a similar hit where the back of his head smacks the turf in a similar manner. Makes me nervous for him. I know different people have different susceptibility to concussions. Tua seems very susceptible.
 

I always wonder if Allen got one in the second half of the Green Bay game. Dude went from looking like the best player in the NFL to just average or below average for a few weeks. I know these guys try to play through anything.

He did also hurt his elbow the following week but I'm not going to discount that he was off in the second half of that GB game and even early before he hurt his elbow.

 

Seems like it could have been a neurological issue that turned into a psychological issue when he got hurt.

 

Obviously all a guess.

[DapperCam]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

He did also hurt his elbow the following week but I'm not going to discount that he was off in the second half of that GB game and even early before he hurt his elbow.

 

Seems like it could have been a neurological issue that turned into a psychological issue when he got hurt.

 

Obviously all a guess.

He had a hit in the GB game right at the beginning of the second half where a giant lineman landed directly on top of him out of bounds. I thought maybe ribs or something. We’ll probably never know.

[Turbo44]

20 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

This is twice by McDaniels & his crew, they've let Tua finish a game only to find out later he had a concussion. NFL is a joke on player safety if they don't step in & investigate. It's either incompetence or deliberate. Either way it's not good & needs to end, pronto.

Not sure it’s the head coach’s job to be doctor in the middle of the game?? First, he's not qualified, 2nd he has plenty of other things on his plate. So unless the team’s doctors told him about it and he ignored it, I don’t see how he is to blame.

somebody is to blame certainly, but not the head coach 

[eball]

Miami and Coach McNerd are going to turn Tua into a vegetable. 
 

I actually feel sorry and concerned for the guy. 
 

[4merper4mer]

17 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Not sure it’s the head coach’s job to be doctor in the middle of the game?? First, he's not qualified, 2nd he has plenty of other things on his plate. So unless the team’s doctors told him about it and he ignored it, I don’t see how he is to blame.

somebody is to blame certainly, but not the head coach 

That’s all true but the way he handles his press conferences around Tua’s condition have involved a lot of double talk that could be interpreted as pressure to return to action.  It’s not at all the way McDermott would handle it.

[Sharky7337]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

Mcdaniel still Teflon on this topic. He's directly responsible and yet blameless. It's astounding. 

The Teflon neuron don?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

Not sure it’s the head coach’s job to be doctor in the middle of the game?? First, he's not qualified, 2nd he has plenty of other things on his plate. So unless the team’s doctors told him about it and he ignored it, I don’t see how he is to blame.

somebody is to blame certainly, but not the head coach 

 

I agree with this.  It's not the head coach's job to clear the players physically.  That's on the team physician, the head trainer, and (where applicable) the independent neurological consultant.  If they say the guy is able to play, the coach's decision is only "is he the best player we have at that position?"

 

In cases where the player doesn't stagger or show balance issues on the way to the huddle and doesn't come out of the game, how would the HC even know there's an issue?

 

In any event, it's not unheard of for concussion symptoms to develop 1-2 days after the injury, so it may be legit that he didn't have symptoms at the time (and it looked like an ordinary hard tackle to me) and developed them after the game or today.

[Nelius]

Pretty creepy stuff. I was shocked by the reaction after the first one, then he had that horrific freeze during the second and everybody screamed about him not playing any more this year. And now a third one. If the Fish remain in the hunt you know they're going to wheel him back out there. What if this isn't even his last concussion of the season...

 

The blame is on the organization but I've tot to echo other posters that this may unfortunately be somewhat unique to Tua to an extent as he gets rag-dolled out there. Josh or Trevor Lawrence never get wrecked like Tua gets wrecked multiple times a game. Seems like a great guy with more talent than I thought a year ago, but he just may not be built for this unfortunately. 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Pretty creepy stuff. I was shocked by the reaction after the first one, then he had that horrific freeze during the second and everybody screamed about him not playing any more this year. And now a third one. If the Fish remain in the hunt you know they're going to wheel him back out there. What if this isn't even his last concussion of the season...

 

The blame is on the organization but I've tot to echo other posters that this may unfortunately be somewhat unique to Tua to an extent as he gets rag-dolled out there. Josh or Trevor Lawrence never get wrecked like Tua gets wrecked multiple times a game. Seems like a great guy with more talent than I thought a year ago, but he just may not be built for this unfortunately. 

That might be the long term truth

 

He is very talented… extremely quick release, Processes the game fast, Incredible accuracy at all three levels

 

Will stand in the pocket and take a hit to deliver a throw

 

Unfortunately he’s 6’1 205 pounds… And his play style isn’t built for his stature

 

 

[UKBillFan]

8 hours ago, Mango said:

I was just having this conversation. It feels like it revolves mainly around Tre. But we have a QB with an injured throwing elbow, Poyer wasn’t allowed on an airplane, Beasley played with a broken leg, Morse is going to get cleared to play another NFL game after 6 NFL concussions alone. 
 

I don’t think McDermott is as careful as some would like him to believe. 
 

McDaniels is just risking Tua’s life. 

 

Didn't Doyle finish the Dolphins game with a torn ACL as well?

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

Pretty creepy stuff. I was shocked by the reaction after the first one, then he had that horrific freeze during the second and everybody screamed about him not playing any more this year. And now a third one. If the Fish remain in the hunt you know they're going to wheel him back out there. What if this isn't even his last concussion of the season...

 

The blame is on the organization but I've tot to echo other posters that this may unfortunately be somewhat unique to Tua to an extent as he gets rag-dolled out there. Josh or Trevor Lawrence never get wrecked like Tua gets wrecked multiple times a game. Seems like a great guy with more talent than I thought a year ago, but he just may not be built for this unfortunately. 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

That might be the long term truth

 

He is very talented… extremely quick release, Processes the game fast, Incredible accuracy at all three levels

 

Will stand in the pocket and take a hit to deliver a throw

 

Unfortunately he’s 6’1 205 pounds… And his play style isn’t built for his stature

 

 

 

This is the point for me: Tua seems unable to adequately defend himself when getting taken to the ground. He seems so much smaller than even his posted measurables, but more importantly, seems to go limp when forcefully contacted (the term rag-doll is apt) and therefore his body becomes a whip that accelerates his head into the ground. He's in danger out there.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

 

This is the point for me: Tua seems unable to adequately defend himself when getting taken to the ground. He seems so much smaller than even his posted measurables, but more importantly, seems to go limp when forcefully contacted (the term rag-doll is apt) and therefore his body becomes a whip that accelerates his head into the ground. He's in danger out there.

It’s because he doesn’t know how to take a hit 

[UKBillFan]

Regarding Tua, the issue is they clearly broke protocol against us when the world and his wife knew he should be in concussion protocol yet they brought him back. Then he only missed, was it a game, after fencing against the Bengals. They haven't treated it seriously before so there's going to be cynicism about if they've treated it seriously this time - even if they have done everything they can.

 

 

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Regarding Tua, the issue is they clearly broke protocol against us when the world and his wife knew he should be in concussion protocol yet they brought him back. Then he only missed, was it a game, after fencing against the Bengals. They haven't treated it seriously before so there's going to be cynicism about if they've treated it seriously this time - even if they have done everything they can.

 

 

It's likely because they knew that if he entered protocol when we played them, he wouldn't have cleared in time for the Thursday night game.  Which ended up the worst possible way for him.

 

You look at what agahlor did to stop the play when he knew his teammate was out on his feet and then you look back to that week 3 game of tuas teammates helping him barely stand up.

 

Win first, health second mentality comes from the coaching.  McD doesn't even let healthy players play because he worries about their long term well being.

Edited December 27, 2022 by The Wiz

[Donuts and Doritos]

7 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Not sure it’s the head coach’s job to be doctor in the middle of the game?? First, he's not qualified, 2nd he has plenty of other things on his plate. So unless the team’s doctors told him about it and he ignored it, I don’t see how he is to blame.

somebody is to blame certainly, but not the head coach 

 

That's why I said McDaniels "& his crew" (GM & owner are part of this too). Head coach puts together a staff. He's in charge of. He is the face of the organization who answers questions about these things to the media (he already had to once before). I get there's an independent neurologist (& the last one they had got fired), but there's also trainers & team Dr.s who are supposed to keep the Head Coach updated on injuries & player status. After already going through this kind of F up once, I would think any good head coach (& most are control freaks) would want his team more on top of this to fix things with the staff so it doesn't happen a second time. It's troubling this is the 2nd time they apparently weren't aware their franchise QB had a concussion & continued to play (& this time threw 3 picks the last 3 drives to end the game). But hey, maybe McDaniels figures, not my problem, I'm just the head coach & can't do anything about it, go talk to our medical staff & the independent neurologist. Hopefully for Tua's sake & the Phins, he's more on top of things than that. Either way it's a bad look.

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Ray Stonada]

10 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Tua is under incredible pressure to be “tough.”

http://amp.awfulannouncing.com/espn/tua-tagovailoa-reveals-his-father-beat-him-with-a-belt-for-interceptions-gameday-crew-laughs-about-joe-jackson-methods.html

 

Exactly why you cannot expect Tua to look out for his own best interests if it jeopardizes his performance on the field. The whole thing makes me sick for him and what has been done to him.

 

I hope he can get help.