Step Aside Danny Boy (171) - Most TD's in the first 5 years is now Josh Allen (174 and counting).

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Ugh!!!! I thought you were referring to the pic of Josh in warmups before the Pats*** game. 
 

 

 

I’m aware of where the picture is from. 😉

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, arcane said:

It is diminished a tick with full context though. Mahomes has superior touchdown production historically, per game, per game early in career etc.

The context is as follows : first 5 years in the league. Allen also did not have targets the likes of Kelce, Hill etc. It was Kelvin Benjamin, Robert Foster, Duke Williams etc. The record is what it states, not a projection of Mahomes stats. 

[Patrick Duffy]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay Patrick. It’s a completely photoshopped graphic! If you’re going to take the time to create one (which I actually applaud) I’d think the creator would pick one of a THOUSAND images wear Josh is wearing his actual jersey. 

 

Oh, well I don't know why the poster picked that image and have no issue with it. Again, you asked why was Josh wearing 14 and I gave you an answer, nothing more, nothing less.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

You also don’t know that Pat Mahomes would’ve lit the world on fire If he didn’t get to sit and learn… Which is universally considered a good thing for a quarterback

 

Almost all Quarterbacks sat and learned from the bench back in the day… going from more recently in Eli and Rivers to back in the day joe Montana … even the bills tried getting Allen to sit 

 

The only thing we know is… Pats rookie year , Tyreek Hill said he looked like a bust… sucked … was terrible in camp… And he didn’t throw a touchdown in his only game he played… And he had to clean up mechanics

 

But for some reason you think he would’ve magically walked into the NFL The pat Mahomes, That got to sit and learn from a really good quarterback Alex Smith

 

Sitting and learning is what helped him reach his full potential

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

 

It would be close either way. Allen missed six games to injury his rookie year. We can play the 'If" game and wonder what Allen would be at if he played those six games. Also, what "if" Mahomes was injured his rookie year assuming he started that season. Then the numbers are close as well. But most of all, look at who was on that Chiefs roster Mahomes rookie season compared to all the guys on the Bills roster in Allen's rookie season who would eventually be out of the league the next season. That's the biggest handicap of all.

26 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

I will never understand why people come here to post regular season statistical performance that, considering where the franchise is, having nothing to do with post-season performance.

 

And I say that completely believing Josh had won them the Divisional Round game last year.

 

Everyone knows that Josh is a franchise QB...we don't need to validate that concept anymore. 

 

The stat isn't about being a franchise QB. It's about where he places among the all-time great franchsie QB's. And yes, stats like this along with super bowls and overall post season success will combine to determine his final ranking when all is said and done. I don't see anything wrong with posting this achievement. 

[SoCal Deek]

41 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Oh, well I don't know why the poster picked that image and have no issue with it. Again, you asked why was Josh wearing 14 and I gave you an answer, nothing more, nothing less.

And I was simply trying to figure out if the number 14 meant something to the record but kept scratching my head…nothing more, nothing less.

[CoudyBills]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

Waaaaaaaaaaaa, muh Mahomie.  Nobody cares.

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

And for that one moment NOT during a game we now choose to depict Josh Allen as #14? Okay. 

  The original poster said he liked that picture of Josh and that's why he used it even though Josh was wearing  14 Fitzpatrick.

[BillsVet]

5 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

The stat isn't about being a franchise QB. It's about where he places among the all-time great franchsie QB's. And yes, stats like this along with super bowls and overall post season success will combine to determine his final ranking when all is said and done. I don't see anything wrong with posting this achievement. 

 

It's still missing that both QB performed in vastly different eras.  It's like the people who look down and see MLB'ers who hit 500 homers in the 50s/60s and compare that to the juiced era.  As if there's no difference.   

 

Marino was doing this when people had backs running the ball 350+ times a season, defenders could destroy QBs and WR's, and teams generally didn't throw the ball like they do now.      

 

Now, the rules favor the passing offense and no one dares hit a QB.  We've seen how that gets flagged and PI is called far differently than it was in the mid-80s.  Ergo, passing records are easier.  

 

The other thing is, all of this is just symbolism over substance.  I doubt Josh is concerned with this "record" or that he's been QB for the AFCE winner these last 3 seasons after the franchise drought going back into the mid-90s.  It's a fan specific thing to highlight.  Means basically nothing.

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

It's still missing that both QB performed in vastly different eras.  It's like the people who look down and see MLB'ers who hit 500 homers in the 50s/60s and compare that to the juiced era.  As if there's no difference.   

 

Marino was doing this when people had backs running the ball 350+ times a season, defenders could destroy QBs and WR's, and teams generally didn't throw the ball like they do now.      

 

Now, the rules favor the passing offense and no one dares hit a QB.  We've seen how that gets flagged and PI is called far differently than it was in the mid-80s.  Ergo, passing records are easier.  

 

The other thing is, all of this is just symbolism over substance.  I doubt Josh is concerned with this "record" or that he's been QB for the AFCE winner these last 3 seasons after the franchise drought going back into the mid-90s.  It's a fan specific thing to highlight.  Means basically nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

Teams also played their base defense much more often which allowed heavy passing teams to get favorable matchups against LBs who were far less athletic for the most part than they are today as they were more run stoppers then.

 

You can go both ways on this, see?

[L Ron Burgundy]

7 hours ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

And if Josh had kcs weapons and offensive minded coaching....

[DJB]

7 hours ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

Nice to see Patty’s mom on the forums

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

14 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

It's still missing that both QB performed in vastly different eras.  It's like the people who look down and see MLB'ers who hit 500 homers in the 50s/60s and compare that to the juiced era.  As if there's no difference.   

 

Marino was doing this when people had backs running the ball 350+ times a season, defenders could destroy QBs and WR's, and teams generally didn't throw the ball like they do now.      

 

Now, the rules favor the passing offense and no one dares hit a QB.  We've seen how that gets flagged and PI is called far differently than it was in the mid-80s.  Ergo, passing records are easier.  

 

The other thing is, all of this is just symbolism over substance.  I doubt Josh is concerned with this "record" or that he's been QB for the AFCE winner these last 3 seasons after the franchise drought going back into the mid-90s.  It's a fan specific thing to highlight.  Means basically nothing.

 

 

 

 

okay. But take out Marino and Josh still had the most TD’s among his peers of the last 5, 10, 20 years.

 

Herbert likely will come very close to this record in two years. Burrow will probably be 10-15 or so TDs short.

[CincyBillsFan]

7 hours ago, arcane said:

This stat is a bit misleading, Mahomes would own the record handily if they didn't count 2018 as one full year for him because he got some mop up duty in the last week of the season 

2017*

How many TD's would Mahomes have had he played with the Bills 2018 offense?

 

 

[BillsVet]

8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

okay. But take out Marino and Josh still had the most TD’s among his peers of the last 5, 10, 20 years.

 

Herbert likely will come very close to this record in two years. Burrow will probably be 10-15 or so TDs short.

 

But who really cares besides fans?  Not trying to be a jerk...just asking the question.  

[Franco_92]

7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

The context is as follows : first 5 years in the league. Allen also did not have targets the likes of Kelce, Hill etc. It was Kelvin Benjamin, Robert Foster, Duke Williams etc. The record is what it states, not a projection of Mahomes stats. 

I agree that Allen's weapons and team weren't as good early but it's not really relevant to my point, and even accounting for that it took allen until his 3rd year to approach the level mahomes stepped into the nfl at.

 

I know that the record is, technically as it is stated, Allen's, but its meaningless to me because it's a touchdown production in early career stat and mahomes' per game and total touchdown numbers are superior to Josh's, objectively 

42 minutes ago, DJB said:

Nice to see Patty’s mom on the forums

Wao, good one

[without a drought]

In other news... It looks like Geno Smith is in the running for offensive rookie of the year.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, arcane said:

I agree that Allen's weapons and team weren't as good early but it's not really relevant to my point, and even accounting for that it took allen until his 3rd year to approach the level mahomes stepped into the nfl at.

 

I know that the record is, technically as it is stated, Allen's, but its meaningless to me because it's a touchdown production in early career stat and mahomes' per game and total touchdown numbers are superior to Josh's, objectively 

Wao, good one

It’s fine if an NFL record is meaningless to you. Doesn’t make it any less real. 

42 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

But who really cares besides fans?  Not trying to be a jerk...just asking the question.  

Well, no one. Just as NFL fans don’t care much about records in swimming, cricket or curling. Probably not , anyways. 

[The Wiz]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

And for that one moment NOT during a game we now choose to depict Josh Allen as #14? Okay. 

 

 

[AlfaBill]

I don’t get these random milestones. Why 5 years? You can make a record for anything really. Like most past attempts over the course of 40 games. Who really cares?