Week 17: Bills at Bengals on MNF

[Process]

19 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

TBD Mods are the most forgiving of all NFL message boards. @FilthyBeastwould have been banned from Jungle Noise or Finheaven a long time ago.

If by forgiving you mean allowing trolls to endlessly spam the boards than yes they are forgiving. There are quite a few posters who should have been permanently banned a long time ago.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

Okay..lets try again..and this time I wont use such big words and make it simple for you...

You were spring loaded into making a post jumping on someone using cutesy words like "karen-y" all while not understanding or caring what you are reading...just to try to make a point.

In my original post, I was remarking how the media was fawning over Burrow,  and in subsequent paragraphs showed how his talent level doesnt rise to the level of MAHOMMES or Allen..you are disputing this, or is your visual acuity as poor as your reading comprehension??

This was never a love letter about Allen..which is obvious, but you cant see that...grow up and practice reading before you post..(wah)

I read what you wrote. You don’t even know what your wrote- I spelled it out for you and what you said didn’t represent what you said the “gist” was.  It wasn’t even close.  
 

I never said it was a love letter about allen.  It’s a sign of how sensitive you are about the media putting Burrow on the same pedestal as Allen and Mahomes.  Read your post man.  You have no clue what you’re saying.  

[Richard Noggin]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

If by forgiving you mean allowing trolls to endlessly spam the boards than yes they are forgiving. There are quite a few posters who should have been permanently banned a long time ago.

 

I disagree with your proposed handling of this board's trolls. First, we don't know every demerit handed out by this board's moderators; I'd guess they're hard at work behind the scenes. And second, the trolls here are mostly just lame and repetitive, rather than overtly toxic and repugnant, as I've seen on other teams' boards. Better to endure some tiresome trolling than to entirely scrub this forum of all unwelcome pathogens. 

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, f0neguy said:

Folks keep mentioning that the Bengals big three receivers missed about 250 snaps during the season.  Fine,  somebody else took those snaps.  Receiving stats for both teams in total are close.  Miami is putting up bigger numbers and we held them in check.  I think overall the Bills are a better team, they’re relatively healthy. I’m looking forward to a good game.

 

Exactly, the Bengals top 3 have been targeted 298 times, that's 53% of Burrows passes. The Bills top 3 have been targeted 290 times, 54% of Allen's passes. 

 

When Chase was out, Higgins and Boyd got more targets so their production went up.

 

There's not 4 more games of production to be had due to missed snaps. It's not like Burrow was going to have 200 more passes for his wr's to catch.  

 

If Chase didn't get hurt then his numbers would be up and Higgins and Boyd's would be down. 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Motorin'

[Comebackkid]

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well sure, and I made the same quip in answer to a question “how have any teams beaten them?”

 

But @muppy’s key points (turnovers, key penalties, being physically dominant in the trenches) usually do have a strong influence on that “most points” thing

yes, her answers were the means to an end.   I was just being smart.. obviously.  

[K-9]

33 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Exactly, the Bengals top 3 have been targeted 298 times, that's 53% of Burrows passes. The Bills top 3 have been targeted 290 times, 54% of Allen's passes. 

 

When Chase was out, Higgins and Boyd got more targets so their production went up.

 

There's not 4 more games of production to be had due to missed snaps. It's not like Burrow was going to have 200 more passes for his wr's to catch.  

 

If Chase didn't get hurt than his numbers would be up than Higgins and Boyd would be down. 

 

 

 

I said way up thread that I’d be more interested in target comparisons between the two receiver groups than just snap counts, so thanks for taking the time to find those numbers. Much more pertinent and illuminating. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

44 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

I disagree with your proposed handling of this board's trolls. First, we don't know every demerit handed out by this board's moderators; I'd guess they're hard at work behind the scenes. And second, the trolls here are mostly just lame and repetitive, rather than overtly toxic and repugnant, as I've seen on other teams' boards. Better to endure some tiresome trolling than to entirely scrub this forum of all unwelcome pathogens. 

 

 Imo the mods here more forgiving now than in the past.

 

 

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

Looking through the Bengals winning streak they aren’t exactly beating the doors off teams.

Taking nothing away from them 7 in a row is damn good in the NFL but other then the win over Mahomes the other 6 QBs Mac Jones was probably the best QB they faced.

I will say the Bills are clearly the best defense the Bengals have seen since the Cowboys earlier in the season and their pass rush just abused Joe Burrow.
This game is very very very winnable. Take care of the ball, don’t let Burrow go off, and just leave it to Josh and I think we got this.   

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Imo the mods here more forgiving now than in the past.

 

 

 

 

 

I have no basis for confirming or denying this claim. It's relative and we've got no public-facing evidence outside of selective anecdotes (that I'm aware of).

 

I CAN say with confidence that this board is more civil and less toxic than most others I've browsed across the league. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Two things that are making me confident
 

The bills are finding their running game again like they did last year towards the end of the season

 

And

 

Josh Allen in prime time Josh Allen goes god mode in prime time 

A few things that make me less confident. 

 

Cinci defense plays Mahomes exceptionally well. Think they will have a similar game plan to stop Allen especially his legs. 

 

Cinci has 3 very good WRs who are all excellent at catching contested balls. Chase is a threat at all times to take it to the house. 

 

Burrows is a big time elite player in big games. He's a winner. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

I have no basis for confirming or denying this claim. It's relative and we've got no public-facing evidence outside of selective anecdotes (that I'm aware of).

 

I CAN say with confidence that this board is more civil and less toxic than most others I've browsed across the league. 

 

 Posters would suddenly disappeared for a week or a month and then they would return only to disappear again never to return. We're we told they had been banned, no, but it was pretty obvious.

 

 The 2nd part of your comment I 100% agree with. In my experience this is easily the most civil when compared to other boards I've been on. By far it has the best conversations/disagreements.👍

 

 

[Fleezoid]

For the past 2 days I've been trying to figure out how to not be nervous for this game. The only way I came up with is to be passed-out-drunk.

 

I'm 90% sure that's not what I'm doing. 

 

[Richard Noggin]

3 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

For the past 2 days I've been trying to figure out how to not be nervous for this game. The only way I came up with is to be passed-out-drunk.

 

I'm 90% sure that's not what I'm doing. 

 

 

This was my approach for much of the drought, to be honest. But rather than the preemptive psychic security blanket of a black out, I adhered to a drinking regimen/game of doing a shot every time the Bills got scored on and every time they turned the ball over. I was living in Florida in my 20s, and this was a sad, warped way to feel connected to the suffering. There was one loss to the Patriots around 2008 that had me literally half-blind in the 2nd half. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

44 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

A few things that make me less confident. 

 

Cinci defense plays Mahomes exceptionally well. Think they will have a similar game plan to stop Allen especially his legs. 

 

Cinci has 3 very good WRs who are all excellent at catching contested balls. Chase is a threat at all times to take it to the house. 

 

Burrows is a big time elite player in big games. He's a winner. 

 

Burrow was good in the playoffs & Super Bowl last year, but he wasn't elite by any means. 5 tds and 2 ints in 4 games is very average. His QBR was 51.0, 50.0 is considered the average QBs play. Allen's was north of 95.0

 

 He's 69/101 for 736 yards 5 tds, 2 ints this year in 3 primetime games. A 97.63 QB Rating, almost exactly what his 2021 Playoff QB Rating of 97.3 was. He also added 9 carries for 14 yards, 1.55 ypc, 0 tds.

 

 Meanwhile Allen this year in primetime games is 136/209  1,612 yards, 17 tds, 5 ints in 6 primtime games. A 105.6 QB Rating. He's added another 290 yards & 3 tds on the ground on 45 carries averaging 6.44 ypc.

 

 Allen whether playoffs or primetime has the better NFL stats. But as far as last year's playoffs are concerned Cincy had the better coaching, not that it was hard, by a wide margin. All the stats point to Burrow being good in the NFL in big games, not elite and rarely has he been the reason they won. Allen is the biggest reason the Bills win in big, primetime games.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

They're very different QBs.  The piece someone posted of Greg Cosell previewing the game is really good.  Essentially my "take" on what he said is that Burrow is the classic QB that Josh Rosen was alleged to be able to become - the elite processor of what he sees pre and post snap, who knows where to go with the ball and is very accurate at getting it there, but who will be aggressive pushing the ball downfield when he sees the opportunity. 

So Burrow is Brady, and Josh is Rodgers. I can live with that for the next dozen years.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Looking through the Bengals winning streak they aren’t exactly beating the doors off teams.

Taking nothing away from them 7 in a row is damn good in the NFL but other then the win over Mahomes the other 6 QBs Mac Jones was probably the best QB they faced.

I will say the Bills are clearly the best defense the Bengals have seen since the Cowboys earlier in the season and their pass rush just abused Joe Burrow.
This game is very very very winnable. Take care of the ball, don’t let Burrow go off, and just leave it to Josh and I think we got this.   

For the most part I agree with you. However, isn't there a chance that Josh and the Bills offense underpreform? Hear me out before you bash me. The Bengals D has been able to contain Mahomes and the KC offense. They had very good game plans. I'm thinking they will have a similar game plan for Allen. Will it be effective? Besides Diggs, who can you trust at WR?

 

I get the leave it to Josh statement. He certainly can take over a game. However, he's not exactly been a world beater of late. It's been more the running game that's played well. This team seems more balanced and a bit less reliant on Josh than the past. Probably a good thing. 

 

Definelty have to limit the turnovers which has been problematic for the Bills. 

 

Containing Burrow is easier said than done. Burrow almost always comes to play when its a big game. The Bills should be prepared for the best version of Burrow. I hope the Bills D is up for the task. For sure, I'd feel way more confident with a healthy Von and Hyde. That's a moot point though. 

 

Go Bills!!!!

Edited December 31, 2022 by newcam2012

[John from Riverside]

58 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

For the past 2 days I've been trying to figure out how to not be nervous for this game. The only way I came up with is to be passed-out-drunk.

 

I'm 90% sure that's not what I'm doing. 

 

This is how I do it
 

Having home-field advantage throughout the playoffs does not guarantee a Super Bowl

 

And

 

Buffalo is a very good road team. We will get at least a home game to start the playoffs and then we take our battle hardened team on the road where I have total confidence in them.

 

That’s if the Bengals end up, not screwing the pooch on Monday

 

This is why you play the way the bills played all year through the tough competition through one of the the hardest schedule through a multitude of injuries

[newcam2012]

25 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

Burrow was good in the playoffs & Super Bowl last year, but he wasn't elite by any means. 5 tds and 2 ints in 4 games is very average. His QBR was 51.0, 50.0 is considered the average QBs play. Allen's was north of 95.0

 

 He's 69/101 for 736 yards 5 tds, 2 ints this year in 3 primetime games. A 97.63 QB Rating, almost exactly what his 2021 Playoff QB Rating of 97.3 was. He also added 9 carries for 14 yards, 1.55 ypc, 0 tds.

 

 Meanwhile Allen this year in primetime games is 136/209  1,612 yards, 17 tds, 5 ints in 6 primtime games. A 105.6 QB Rating. He's added another 290 yards & 3 tds on the ground on 45 carries averaging 6.44 ypc.

 

 Allen whether playoffs or primetime has the better NFL stats. But as far as last year's playoffs are concerned Cincy had the better coaching, not that it was hard, by a wide margin. All the stats point to Burrow being good in the NFL in big games, not elite and rarely has he been the reason they won. Allen is the biggest reason the Bills win in big, primetime games.

 

 

 

 

i don't want to split hair here. I stand behind what I said. I'm going back to Burrow in his college days too. I saw a winner and a guy who knows how to lead a team to victory.

 

I saw a Burrows who was elite in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl. He was absolutely fantastic in Arrowhead leading his team to a huge upset victory. Under attack and pressure he maintained his poise and delivered. Burrow is elite when it comes to big games. Sunday is a big game. You can do the math.

 

Lastly, I agree with your Allen take. My post wasn't meant to be an Allen vs Burrow comparassion. I'd take Allen over Burrow all day any day. 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

i don't want to split hair here. I stand behind what I said. I'm going back to Burrow in his college days too. I saw a winner and a guy who knows how to lead a team to victory.

 

I saw a Burrows who was elite in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl. He was absolutely fantastic in Arrowhead leading his team to a huge upset victory. Under attack and pressure he maintained his poise and delivered. Burrow is elite when it comes to big games. Sunday is a big game. You can do the math.

 

Lastly, I agree with your Allen take. My post wasn't meant to be an Allen vs Burrow comparassion. I'd take Allen over Burrow all day any day. 

Last year there was some moments in the games where the Bengals made it to the Super Bowl, where they easily could’ve lost this year. They have beaten four teams with an above 500 record and the nearly lost last week.
 

If we didn’t have Josh Allen, I would totally be a burrow stanz the guy is good

[newcam2012]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This is how I do it
 

Having home-field advantage throughout the playoffs does not guarantee a Super Bowl

 

And

 

Buffalo is a very good road team. We will get at least a home game to start the playoffs and then we take our battle hardened team on the road where I have total confidence in them.

 

That’s if the Bengals end up, not screwing the pooch on Monday

 

This is why you play the way the bills played all year through the tough competition through one of the the hardest schedule through a multitude of injuries

If the Bills lose on Monday night it's not like the season is lost or the Super Bowl is not attainable. Many on here will be acting like it's over. It's not! Without a doubt it's much much more difficult to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Nevertheles, I won't stop believing the Bills can win it all.