Week 17: Bills at Bengals on MNF

[Since1981]

Monday night games are toooo far!

There have been some great, recent examples of how to beat the Tiggers defensively. I’m always concerned about Bills current (historical) size mismatch WR vs DB on both sides of the ball. 

[Johnnycage46]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Got some other gems besides Boyd?

 

Burrow had a couple of quotes (have to look for them) about how they beat everyone already and they can beat anyone, yadda yadda.  I mean confidence is great, but they seem to go a step above.  They appear to say the quiet part out loud.

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Burrow had a couple of quotes (have to look for them) about how they beat everyone already and they can beat anyone, yadda yadda.  I mean confidence is great, but they seem to go a step above.  They appear to say the quiet part out loud.

And just when have they beaten us?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

42 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

 

#Dolphins Top 3 Targets

(Hill, Waddle, Sherfield)

 

202 for 3,279 yards 17 TDs

 

This is nothing the Bills haven’t seen before. 

36 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Whose stopping Chase, Higgins, and Boyd? Would feel a lot better about this game if we had Von. 

 

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So my understanding, which could be wrong, is that a lot of teams weight their game prep on the most recent 2-3 games.

 

[Evidently, we had some inside info that at times, Pete Carrol and staff just use the most recent game, which is how Daboll double-suckered Belichick and then Carroll in 2020 by having the Bills run the ball down the Patriots throats (which they weren't expecting), then pass all over a Seahawks defense that "had a nice little plan for the run" and had Carroll saying after the game "we were surprised they passed so much".

 

I think Boyd has been shown a lot of stuff from the Bills most recent 2 games, played in horrible conditions.  You don't want to do a lot of disguise and extra running around when conditions are slick.  You also need simpler game prep when you're playing 3 games in 12 days and your prep and practice time is limited.

 

I think earlier in the season, we did indeed play more disguised coverage than he seems to think. 

 

11 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Burrow had a couple of quotes (have to look for them) about how they beat everyone already and they can beat anyone, yadda yadda.  I mean confidence is great, but they seem to go a step above.  They appear to say the quiet part out loud.

 

I think this perhaps:

 

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/joe-burrow-makes-his-thoughts-on-bills-game-very-clear

 

Quote

Given the Bills' No. 1 spot atop the AFC, some are viewing this game as a "measuring stick" for this year's Bengals team.

 

Joe Burrow doesn't see it that way.

 

“Yeah, I mean, we’ve beaten everybody,” Burrow said in a recent press conference, per ProFootballTalk. “We know we can play against everybody. We’ve done it in the biggest moments. So like I said, we’re treating every game the same. We’ve played everyone in the last two years. We haven’t played the Bills yet, so that will be a fun challenge, but they’re good on defense, got a lot of veteran guys and know how to play within their scheme, they play hard, they play fast, they play schematically sound so it’ll be a fun challenge.”

 

He does acknowledge they haven't played us yet.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Beck Water

[finn]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

There are two different beliefs about this Bills team:

 

One side saw this team as the dominant Super Bowl favorite before the season.  But since the bye, their many flaws have been exposed.  An overmatched offensive coordinator.  A below-average O-Line.  Not enough weapons around the quarterback.  Sloppy with penalties, drops and tackling.  A paper tiger defense that flops in big moments, and can't stop elite quarterbacks.

 

The other side also saw this team as elite before the season.  But nothing over the last two months has shaken their confidence.  They see a team persevering through massive injuries and terrible weather.  Battle tested, and finding ways to win close games.  All of the problems are self-inflicted, and they will surely get everything cleaned up for the home-stretch.

 

Fans have been arguing non-stop over which narrative is true for the last two months.  I have a feeling that Monday night will give us a really strong indication which side is correct.  

 

I see truth in both views. The line is in fact below average, all units are sloppy with penalties, tackling and drops, and Allen doesn't have enough weapons, which has led him to hero ball, for better and worse. But they are also battle-tested against tough opponents and bad weather and have dealt with a lot of injuries (how many teams have lost two all-pro players?). The idea that the defense is a paper tiger that can't handle elite QBs ignores the facts. 

 

I see a flawed but formidable team. If Allen is on, it takes a meltdown on the part of the coaches or the other units to beat the Bills. Even if he's off, they can still win with defense and coaching.

 

I'm just glad they're my team. If I'm a Chiefs fan, I'm secretly terrified. 

[GolfandBills]

46 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Whose stopping Chase, Higgins, and Boyd? Would feel a lot better about this game if we had Von. 

Nobody really stops them.  They will make plays.  It’s about limiting the explosive plays and tackling Chase.  

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Monday night games are toooo far!

There have been some great, recent examples of how to beat the Tiggers defensively. I’m always concerned about Bills current (historical) size mismatch WR vs DB on both sides of the ball. 

Elam has size 😃 

[balln]

36 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

We all would.  But either the DL is improved enough without Von to bring pressure with 3 or 4, or we are going to struggle in the playoffs, because that was the whole goal of Beane's off-season: improve the DL to where we could affect the QB in the playoffs, while leaving the OL and the WR corps "good enough".

 

The idea is, that protects the secondary

This D is no better than last year just from a pure roster analysis. Spare me that Rousseau , Ed and tremaine developed. It’s marginal. 
 

they have no Jerry Hughes , Mario Addison , Von Miller  (ok shaq but hes

a JAG run defender) 

settle actually doesn’t grade out that well. DQ is legit and so ok they have a better run D

 

no Hyde , + tre who’s coming back off acl. I’d rather have healthy hyde >>>>> tre off acl 

 

I guess we saw what the team and D could look like when they beat kc early w Von coming up huge 

 

I’m expecting them against elite qb (burrow) to get boat raced on D

 

once agin it will be all on the O and Allen 

Edited December 30, 2022 by balln

[Straight Hucklebuck]

37 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Burrow had a couple of quotes (have to look for them) about how they beat everyone already and they can beat anyone, yadda yadda.  I mean confidence is great, but they seem to go a step above.  They appear to say the quiet part out loud.

Yeah, it’s on ESPN.

 

Paraphrasing … They don’t have anything to prove, they’ve beaten everyone, they all know what they can do, all they have to do is go do it.

 

This Bengals homage has gone on long enough. 

 

Hammer Burrow over and over and over and over again. 

 

[balln]

Chase alone is going to make them look so silly. He’s a freaking elite tackle breaker / yAC on top of all his elite traits.

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, it’s on ESPN.

 

Paraphrasing … They don’t have anything to prove, they’ve beaten everyone, they all know what they can do, all they have to do is go do it.

 

This Bengals homage has gone on long enough. 

 

Hammer Burrow over and over and over and over again. 

 

With Kingsley and AJE? 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, balln said:

Chase alone is going to make them look so silly. He’s a freaking elite tackle breaker / yAC on top of all his elite traits.

They’ve already played the best WR in the league. 
 

And it ain’t Chase.

[K-9]

37 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Burrow had a couple of quotes (have to look for them) about how they beat everyone already and they can beat anyone, yadda yadda.  I mean confidence is great, but they seem to go a step above.  They appear to say the quiet part out loud.

He’s wrong. He hasn't beaten us yet as we haven’t played the Bengals since before Burrow was even a gleam in their eyes. Sounds like he doesn’t include the Bills on his list of everyone worth beating. They certainly haven’t beaten anyone we haven't already beat either. 

[SCBills]

14 minutes ago, balln said:

This D is no better than last year just from a pure roster analysis. Spare me that Rousseau , Ed and tremaine developed. It’s marginal. 
 

they have no Jerry Hughes , Mario Addison , Von Miller  (ok shaq but hes

a JAG run defender) 

settle actually doesn’t grade out that well. DQ is legit and so ok they have a better run D

 

no Hyde , + tre who’s coming back off acl. I’d rather have healthy hyde >>>>> tre off acl 

 

I guess we saw what the team and D could look like when they beat kc early w Von coming up huge 

 

I’m expecting them against elite qb (burrow) to get boat raced on D

 

once agin it will be all on the O and Allen 

I think the Defense is about the same as last year.  
 

Hughes & Addison might as well been invisible in the KC playoff game.  I feel better about what we have now, even without Von… at least there’s potential in Rousseau and AJE. 
 

The DT room is much better than last year. The key is for Jordan Phillips to stop getting hurt.  Probably too much to ask.  Oliver/Jones is a really strong tandem.  Settle is fine, whatever.  Phillips can be a weapon if he stops falling apart.   The interior pash rush is probably more important than off the edge in this game. 
 

Edmunds & Milano are better this year than last.  Secondary about a wash given the +70% Tre, -Hyde and more talent at CB2 if they ever figure it out. 
 

I still think our coaches/scheme can slow down anyone not named KC.  As good as anyone else is, KC with Reid and Mahomes when he’s on, is just a different animal.  

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, balln said:

This D is no better than last year just from a pure roster analysis. Spare me that Rousseau , Ed and tremaine developed. It’s marginal. 
 

they have no Jerry Hughes , Mario Addison , Von Miller  (ok shaq but hes

a JAG run defender) 

settle actually doesn’t grade out that well. DQ is legit and so ok they have a better run D

 

no Hyde , + tre who’s coming back off acl. I’d rather have healthy hyde >>>>> tre off acl 

 

I guess we saw what the team and D could look like when they beat kc early w Von coming up huge 

 

I’m expecting them against elite qb (burrow) to get boat raced on D

 

once agin it will be all on the O and Allen 

Our DL is MUCH better-  daquan, Phillips, settle, Shaq -  Rousseau is much better.  AJ is better.  Basham, idk.  
 

milano is better.  Edmunds is much better-  Botha credit to hard work AND how much better the DL is.  
 

you’re severely underestimating how much better the DTs are this year compared to last.  We now have an interior push.  Last year, we had NONE.  

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, balln said:

Chase alone is going to make them look so silly. He’s a freaking elite tackle breaker / yAC on top of all his elite traits.

With Kingsley and AJE? 

Kingsley won’t be active, but go on…..
 

Rousseau, Ed, Jones, Phillips, Shaq, AJE, settle, Basham——- and don’t forget Milano and Edmunds.  
 

a proper defensive game plan will get pressure on Burrow.  Only 4 QBs have been sacked more.  Don’t act like he doesn’t get sacked but lesser DLs

 

Burrow has been sacked in every game this year.  5 of those games he was sacked only once- 5 times twice- 5 times 3 sacks or more.  
 

And their run game is abysmal.  
 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by NewEra

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

There are two different beliefs about this Bills team:

 

One side saw this team as the dominant Super Bowl favorite before the season.  But since the bye, their many flaws have been exposed.  An overmatched offensive coordinator.  A below-average O-Line.  Not enough weapons around the quarterback.  Sloppy with penalties, drops and tackling.  A paper tiger defense that flops in big moments, and can't stop elite quarterbacks.

 

The other side also saw this team as elite before the season.  But nothing over the last two months has shaken their confidence.  They see a team persevering through massive injuries and terrible weather.  Battle tested, and finding ways to win close games.  All of the problems are self-inflicted, and they will surely get everything cleaned up for the home-stretch.

 

Fans have been arguing non-stop over which narrative is true for the last two months.  I have a feeling that Monday night will give us a really strong indication which side is correct.  

 

 

 Why would the 1st side think we our defense flops and can't stop elite QBs? Here's some facts:

 

 4-1 against top 10 offenses this year and 3-1 against the top 5(3 of them on the road).

 

 Beat Mahomes in KC and held the Chiefs to 9 points below their season average. While Mahomes did throw for alot of yards, he had as many ints as tds, including throwing the game sealing int late in the game.

 

 Buffalo is 4-2 against QBs in the top 13, loses coming against Tua & Cousins.

 

 As for the offense, Buffalo is 3-1 against top 10 defenses this year, 3 of them were also on the road.

 

 Most think Buffalo can't run the ball well, but they rank 8th in rushing and 10 of their 15 games this year have come against top 11 rush defenses. #2, #3, #5, #6, #8, #9, #10x2, #11x2. They topped 100 yards in all those games and went 8-2. The 2 losses, both on the road, by a total of 5 points combined.

 

 Josh Allen...Nothing more to be said, besides hands down the most important player to his team and it's not close.

 

 I think the weather the last 5 quarters has helped Dorsey to find his way. It forced the Bills to ramp up the rushing game and the offense has responded rushing for 353 yards in those 5 quarters.

 

 A few others, Buffalo is now 7-1 against teams with top 15 rushers.

 

 They are 5-1 against teams with a top 12 pass rusher, including a game where they faced 2 in the same game.

 

 They are well above .500 against every type of team and player they've faced this year and are as battle tested as any Bills team in at least 3 decades.

 

 This 1 game, win or lose, is not going to indicate who this team is. It's 15 games into the season, if you don't know who and what this team is I would question what you've been watching and have you been paying attention. Resilient, gritty, competitive as hell, workman like, confident, but not cocky, humble, on task & a blast to watch. These things come to mind for me and I'm sure there's others I can't think of at the moment.

 

 The team that holds the other to more fgs vs tds comes out on top this week. Bills win Monday night, each offense scores 5 times, 31-23.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

So my understanding, which could be wrong, is that a lot of teams weight their game prep on the most recent 2-3 games.

 

[Evidently, we had some inside info that at times, Pete Carrol and staff just use the most recent game, which is how Daboll double-suckered Belichick and then Carroll in 2020 by having the Bills run the ball down the Patriots throats (which they weren't expecting), then pass all over a Seahawks defense that "had a nice little plan for the run" and had Carroll saying after the game "we were surprised they passed so much".

 

I think Boyd has been shown a lot of stuff from the Bills most recent 2 games, played in horrible conditions.  You don't want to do a lot of disguise and extra running around when conditions are slick.  You also need simpler game prep when you're playing 3 games in 12 days and your prep and practice time is limited.

 

I think earlier in the season, we did indeed play more disguised coverage than he seems to think. 

 

 

I think this perhaps:

 

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/joe-burrow-makes-his-thoughts-on-bills-game-very-clear

 

 

He does acknowledge they haven't played us yet.

Whatever Boyd, you won’t have to cash the checks your mouth is making so all good from your standpoint. 
 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Here's to a vicious 15-yard-penalty inducing high hit to the head on Boyd as he crosses the middle.

 

We'll see if he still thinks they're basic after they cart him off.

 

[Logic]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Here's to a vicious 15-yard-penalty inducing high hit to the head on Boyd as he crosses the middle.

 

We'll see if he still thinks they're basic after they cart him off.