Broncos @ Rams

[The Frankish Reich]

7 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

What does firing a coach mid-season accomplish?  

 

Send a message.  Boost morale and give the team something to look forward to.

Weird thing is this: up until the Christmas Day fiasco, the Broncos had played hard (excepting Wilson, who's played like a man who's hurt, or a man who's afraid of getting hurt, or both). The offense has been a disaster all season, but the defense showed up every week. Today? After the bad start they just gave up.

So the only thing Hackett had to fall back on this year - the "at least they're still playing hard for him" - is no longer the case. I think they let him coach thru next week so they don't hang a KC blowout on the interim guy, but I'd expect to see him gone even before black Monday.

As for Wilson: he played kind of like the old Russell Wilson 2 weeks ago, and it ended with a concussion. Today: scared. Took 5 sacks, didn't run past the line of scrimmage at all. There's nothing the Broncos can do now other than try to squeeze a modest rebound out of him while they go maybe 6-11 or 7-10 next year, or move on from him with a colossal dead cap hit and a team of essentially replacement level players, trading away anyone of value, and bottoming out Lions pre-Stafford style.

[cle23]

16 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Umderstood, but he is still a consultant to the team and had a big influence in bringing in WIlson.

 

I follow Benjamin Allbright, he is a Broncos reporter and is pretty straight forward.  He said earlier in the season that Elway is rarely even at the facility and has little to no influence on the day to day decisions. 

 

Several others have reported the same. 

Edited December 26, 2022 by cle23

[Seventeen]

6 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

I follow Benjamin Allbright, he is a Broncos reporter and is pretty straight forward.  He said earlier in the season that Elway is rarely even at the facility and has little to no influence on the day to day decisions. 

 

Several others have reported the same. 

 

https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver

 

In section #2 ...

 

"Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle."

[The Frankish Reich]

11 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver

 

In section #2 ...

 

"Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle."

True. He did "oversee" the 2019 draft. Last I checked, it's now 2022 ...

[TheFunPolice]

Imo Hackett knows he's done and has stopped really prepping for games. It's the only thing that makes sense 

 

No way that Denver roster is so bad that they get blown out by the Rams based on talent

[The Wiz]

 

[cle23]

On 12/26/2022 at 12:08 PM, Roy Hobbs said:

 

https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver

 

In section #2 ...

 

"Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle."

 

Right. Some random article online, or a reporter who works in the building and has a history of being right. 

 

George Patton is the GM. He has final roster authority. Per Allbright about 2 hours ago: "John Elway is not in charge, and hasn't been in years."

[Seventeen]

5 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Right. Some random article online, or a reporter who works in the building and has a history of being right. 

 

George Patton is the GM. He has final roster authority. Per Allbright about 2 hours ago: "John Elway is not in charge, and hasn't been in years."

 

Elway is listed as a consultant to the team - you don't have to be in charge to provide advice to the current GM. What position did Elway play ? 

You don't think it was a group decision to bring Wilson in and sell the farm ? 

 

And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... 

 

[WotAGuy]

On 12/25/2022 at 7:23 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

1968-1971:

Harvey Johnson goes 1-10-1.

Jim Ringo goes 7-20-1

Then Ralph brings back Harvey Johnson who goes 1-13-0! 

That was John Rauch not Ringo. Ringo took over after Saban left for the second time in the mid 70s. 

[cle23]

20 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Elway is listed as a consultant to the team - you don't have to be in charge to provide advice to the current GM. What position did Elway play ? 

You don't think it was a group decision to bring Wilson in and sell the farm ? 

 

And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... 

 

 

The Paton thing was an autocorrect. So yes, George PATON is GM. 

 

Did they ask Elway? Sure, I'm sure they did.  Your previous article said "Elway would oversee" the trade, and completely left Paton out. He wasn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. 

Edited December 28, 2022 by cle23

[Seventeen]

5 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

The Paton thing was an autocorrect. So yes, George PATON is GM. 

 

Did they ask Elway? Sure, I'm sure they did.  Your previous article said "Elway would oversee" the trade, and completely left Paton out. He wasn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. 

 

Just as Beane relies on assistant GMs, scouts and consultants - so does Paton. I have no doubt Elway met Wilson a few times in person along with Seattle management to gauge their interest. Paton was probably along on those trips and ultimately made the final decision on whether to accept Seattle's proposal. 'Overseeing' might have been too strong a word in the article but Elway was definitely involved and assuredly was trying to atone from his previous mistakes as GM. 

[The Frankish Reich]

33 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... 

 

Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. Now, I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.

 

- General (Manager) George Paton, upon dismissing loser clown Nathaniel Hacket.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

That was John Rauch not Ringo. Ringo took over after Saban left for the second time in the mid 70s. 

 

Whoops, you're right. BTW Ringo went 3-20-0 in his two seasons. From '66 with Joe Collier through Hank Bullough in '86, with only a few glimmers of competency from Saban and Chuck Knox mixed in, was the Dark Ages of Bills coaching.