Glazer reports Jets moving on from Wilson.

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22 hours ago, davefan66 said:

 

Not sure how it’s a surprise Wilson would be gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take away the off the field stories, true or not doesn’t matter. He just doesn’t have what it takes to be a NFL starter. He’s not going away quickly, someone will give him a job next year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gotta laugh when you see someone like Purdy slaying it like he is.

 

 

Somewhat reminiscent of JP Losman. Has the physical tools but lacks the mental traits required to be a QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 12/25/2022 at 9:16 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Josh Allen wasn't great at Wyoming in the slightest either.    Players are picked on potential. 

 

I didn't think Wilson was an elite prospect but you gotta' take chances at QB.

 

The Jets otherwise talented roster is proof that you can literally waste two top 3 overall picks on QB's in a 4 year span and still stockpile talent.

 

The most overrated personnel chip in football is a #1 pick NOT used on a QB.

Not with the number 2 pick you don't.  (Maybe Wilson's potential will come thru with another coaching staff someplace else) Josh Allen was a physical specimen at Wyoming.  He had accuracy issues.  But he was a baller.  In a whole different league then Zach Wilson.  The Jets have some talent.  But not much on the O line.  But in today's NFL not a lot of teams do.  Including our beloved Bills.  But nothing compares to how bad the Broncos O line was on Christmas Day.  That was an embarrasment of epic proportions, that got both the O Line coach and the head coach fired, and rightfully so.  

[Fan in San Diego]

Speaking of QB's being drummed out of the league, I saw Nate Peterman come out to finish off a game for somebody and threw a pick on his first throw.

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Not with the number 2 pick you don't.  (Maybe Wilson's potential will come thru with another coaching staff someplace else) Josh Allen was a physical specimen at Wyoming.  He had accuracy issues.  But he was a baller.  In a whole different league then Zach Wilson.  The Jets have some talent.  But not much on the O line.  But in today's NFL not a lot of teams do.  Including our beloved Bills.  But nothing compares to how bad the Broncos O line was on Christmas Day.  That was an embarrasment of epic proportions, that got both the O Line coach and the head coach fired, and rightfully so.  

 

Zach Wilson, much like ol' Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold, had consistent cautions about coachability in their draft profiles.  Rosen refused to be coached, Darnold had problems executing what he was being coached to do.  When stressed, Darnold remains the QB he was at USC. 

 

On the other hand, Josh Allen had positive reviews on coachability, and IMO, that has been the difference maker.  Allen accepts coaching and and executes it.  

 

I think for NFL teams that draft QBs, once you start seeing multiple accounts of attitude or coaching problems, go invest in another quarterback.  Don't be the loving spouse that thinks you'll "change" them.  

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Not with the number 2 pick you don't.  (Maybe Wilson's potential will come thru with another coaching staff someplace else) Josh Allen was a physical specimen at Wyoming.  He had accuracy issues.  But he was a baller.  In a whole different league then Zach Wilson.  The Jets have some talent.  But not much on the O line.  But in today's NFL not a lot of teams do.  Including our beloved Bills.  But nothing compares to how bad the Broncos O line was on Christmas Day.  That was an embarrasment of epic proportions, that got both the O Line coach and the head coach fired, and rightfully so.  

Wilson had actually elite athletic traits coming out too: very live arm, good legs, good size. People *loved* him because of how the athletic traits he possessed projected in the pros. It’s basically as @BADOLBILZ says it was. 

23 minutes ago, dpberr said:

 

Zach Wilson, much like ol' Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold, had consistent cautions about coachability in their draft profiles.  Rosen refused to be coached, Darnold had problems executing what he was being coached to do.  When stressed, Darnold remains the QB he was at USC. 

 

On the other hand, Josh Allen had positive reviews on coachability, and IMO, that has been the difference maker.  Allen accepts coaching and and executes it.  

 

I think for NFL teams that draft QBs, once you start seeing multiple accounts of attitude or coaching problems, go invest in another quarterback.  Don't be the loving spouse that thinks you'll "change" them.  

Do you have a link to the coachability issues in college regarding Wilson? Because I ain’t finding them. The draft profiles of him were pretty sky high across the board, with the one cautionary factor being the one-year wonder track record. Otherwise, the scouting community loved him due to the extremely strong arm and accuracy.

[starrymessenger]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Wilson had actually elite athletic traits coming out too: very live arm, good legs, good size. People *loved* him because of how the athletic traits he possessed projected in the pros. It’s basically as @BADOLBILZ says it was. 

Do you have a link to the coachability issues in college regarding Wilson? Because I ain’t finding them. The draft profiles of him were pretty sky high across the board, with the one cautionary factor being the one-year wonder track record. Otherwise, the scouting community loved him due to the extremely strong arm and accuracy.

If memory serves in no way was Wilson a consensus can't miss prospect, not even close. Sure everybody loved his arm strength, ability to throw off platform, mobility and general athleticism. But he was also regarded as a risky boom or bust type prospect by many. I don't know what his coaches asked him to do but his weaknesses did not improve even in his one good year. And judging from his tenure in NY they probably can't be coached out of him. 

[H2o]

Both Phil and Chris Simms loved them some Zach Wilson going into the draft. They thought he was the #1 prospect. There were more than a few who did. There were also others who looked beyond the obvious talent to talk about how he handled situations when pressured or his first read wasn't there. I was nervous when the Jets drafted him. I thought he had an Aaron Rodgers type of feel watching him play at BYU. Boy am I glad I was wrong and am watching the Jets suffer from a self-inflicted wound again. 

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, H2o said:

Both Phil and Chris Simms loved them some Zach Wilson going into the draft. They thought he was the #1 prospect. There were more than a few who did. There were also others who looked beyond the obvious talent to talk about how he handled situations when pressured or his first read wasn't there. I was nervous when the Jets drafted him. I thought he had an Aaron Rodgers type of feel watching him play at BYU. Boy am I glad I was wrong and am watching the Jets suffer from a self-inflicted wound again. 

 

Like Zach Wilson,  Phil and Chris Simms didn't see the field well/quickly or have great pocket presence coming out of college.    Chris never panned out.   Phil developed into a very good QB but he was much less than the sum of his parts for a number of years and by the time he turned into an elite game manager people had forgotten that he entered the NFL as an elite prospect(#7 overall like Allen).

[Rubes]

3 hours ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Speaking of QB's being drummed out of the league, I saw Nate Peterman come out to finish off a game for somebody and threw a pick on his first throw.

To be fair, it was his third throw, no?

[Logic]

I was so excited when the Jets won the meaningless late season game that lost them Trevor Lawrence.

I believed then (and still believe now) that Lawrence will be an elite QB for a long time. 

Jets fans talked themselves into Wilson being as good of a prospect as Lawrence, or better. Hah!

At the very least, they could've had Justin Fields. Instead, as so many teams seem to do, they overthought it. Now they go right back to the drawing board.

Jimmy G? Derek Carr? What veteran retread will be quarterbacking the Jets to perpetual Wild Card status starting in 2023?

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I was so excited when the Jets won the meaningless late season game that lost them Trevor Lawrence.

I believed then (and still believe now) that Lawrence will be an elite QB for a long time. 

Jets fans talked themselves into Wilson being as good of a prospect as Lawrence, or better. Hah!

At the very least, they could've had Justin Fields. Instead, as so many teams seem to do, they overthought it. Now they go right back to the drawing board.

Jimmy G? Derek Carr? What veteran retread will be quarterbacking the Jets to perpetual Wild Card status starting in 2023?

 

 

With 2:16 left Frank Gore caught a pass from Darnold and pedaled backwards to convert a 3rd and 6 and preserve a narrow 23-20 victory for the Jets.

 

 

[Bookie Man]

Damn. Was hoping it was Garrett. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

22 hours ago, dpberr said:

 

Zach Wilson, much like ol' Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold, had consistent cautions about coachability in their draft profiles.  Rosen refused to be coached, Darnold had problems executing what he was being coached to do.  When stressed, Darnold remains the QB he was at USC. 

 

On the other hand, Josh Allen had positive reviews on coachability, and IMO, that has been the difference maker.  Allen accepts coaching and and executes it.  

 

I think for NFL teams that draft QBs, once you start seeing multiple accounts of attitude or coaching problems, go invest in another quarterback.  Don't be the loving spouse that thinks you'll "change" them.  

That's an interesting analysis dpberr.  Makes a lot of sense.  Josh Allen checks all the boxes, physically and mentally.  People used to say some of the same stuff about JP Losman, I believe.  That he had attitude or coachability issues.  It was a long time ago.  But something says he was kind of cocky with some sort of attitude.  Didn't Troy Vincent take him out in practice, fracturing his leg in his rookie training camp?

[ArtVandalay]

Does this mean he'll get traded to the Panthers?