Josh Allen: Are His Fumbles an Issue?

[Gugny]

Josh Allen's fumbles (fumbles lost) by season:

 

2018: 8 (2)

2019: 14 (5)

2020: 9 (6)

2021: 8 (3)

2022: 12 (5)

 

Josh is currently on pace to have 15 regular season fumbles.  

 

I know the O Line is trash and I believe that's a huge factor.  I don't know what the split is between the strip sacks and the ones that are popped out during a run/scramble.

 

It's great that he's been much better/smarter with his passes and the INTs have cooled significantly.  But he needs to protect the ball better in the pocket and whilst running.

 

We can't give teams extra chances on offense in the playoffs.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles

 

1Justin Fields 15

1Matt Ryan 15

3Josh Allen 12

4Trevor Lawrence 9

4Jalen Hurts 9

6Marcus Mariota 8

6Kyler Murray 8

8Geno Smith 7

8Aaron Rodgers 7

8Baker Mayfield 7

 

*** EDIT *** @Beck Water does a great job categorizing Allen's 2022 fumbles on Page 2.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Gugny

[Big Turk]

Allen almost never fumbles while running anymore. Used to happen regularly, I can't remember the last time he did while out in the open field running.

[Warriorspikes51]

Allen is so good....he doesn't even need to maintain possession of the football to gain chunks of yards! 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Lamar Jackson has 42 fumbles and 15 losses in his career. 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Allen almost never fumbles while running anymore. Used to happen regularly, I can't remember the last time he did while out in the open field running.

 

I wish there was a place who splits these out, but I cannot find one.  I agree with you .. I feel like the vast majority are strip sacks in the pocket.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

If you look at most QBs, his fumble numbers are consistent. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Lamar Jackson has 42 fumbles and 15 losses in his career. 

All at the wrong time! 😆 

[Gugny]

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If you look at most QBs, his fumble numbers are consistent. 

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/fumbles

[hemma]

He needed an eye in the back of his head for this last strip sack.

Just one.

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I wish there was a place who splits these out, but I cannot find one.  I agree with you .. I feel like the vast majority are strip sacks in the pocket.

 

and fumbled snaps under center.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If you look at most QBs, his fumble numbers are consistent. 

Yeah but then what are we supposed to complain about?

 

And to Gugny's point, yes it is an issue and something I wish he was better about. But with a guy like Allen, he is going to have TO and sack numbers because he never gives up on a play. We don't have the same level of QB play if he were to just go down every time he was in trouble 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Captain Hindsight

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Yeah but then what are we supposed to complain about?

Josh’s nicknames?

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

He needed an eye in the back of his head for this last strip sack.

Just one.

 

 

 

He had Beasley wide open short for a likely 10-12 yard gain and first down and tried to hold it for something deeper to develop.

[Gugny]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Yeah but then what are we supposed to complain about?

 

I am failing to find one complaint in my post.  Can you please point one, or all, of them out for the class?

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I wish there was a place who splits these out, but I cannot find one.  I agree with you .. I feel like the vast majority are strip sacks in the pocket.

Double-edge sword. Shows he's settling in back there, not nervous in the service. BUT... He's gotta feel the pressure presence. Sometimes that extra millisecond is all he needs.

 

What I am saying, take the good with bad and just eliminate the times it happens at critical jumctures.

[Captain Hindsight]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

I am failing to find one complaint in my post.  Can you please point one, or all, of them out for the class?

Not directed at you my friend just the state of the board in general

 

My apologies 

[Gugny]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Double-edge sword. Shows he's settling in back there, not nervous in the service. BUT... He's gotta feel the pressure presence. Sometimes that extra millisecond is all he needs.

 

What I am saying, take the good with bad and just eliminate the times it happens at critical jumctures.

 

Yep.  Agreed.  This is much more of a concern when we're playing win or go home games against good offenses.  And like I said, that O Line isn't doing him any favors.

  

[DapperCam]

How many of those are bad snaps or a missed handoff (which gets credited to the QB even if it isn’t their fault necessarily). Morse has been in and out of the lineup all year and it’s messing up the snaps.

[Don Otreply]

I guess we need even more stuff to be “worried, concerned, frightened, about, can we give this endless nonsense a break for like 24 hours, thanks, 

[947]

The strip sack last week was not really an avoidable fumble (unless he'd thrown it sooner of course), if a QB gets blasted in the back while getting ready to pass, the ball is coming out.

 

The only near-fumble that concerned me was the play where he ran it for a short gain down near the GL, had the ball in 1 hand, and and swung it around a defender's head to try & avoid the tackle. That's way too high risk, the second he decides to run, that ball needs to be tucked.